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<blockquote data-quote="Vaslov" data-source="post: 4136100" data-attributes="member: 37953"><p>I think the posters before this have made fine arguments on both sides of the issue. As I see this as a very exciting development for the campaign I'll try to throw out what may be a third alternative.</p><p></p><p>I assume others were spectators of this race and saw the event. If not directly in a coliseum perhaps via scrying the mounts or something of the like. They ask the same questions and bring up the same points as this board. Word spreads and the general populace is unsure of the right answer. Clerics of Heironeous see or hear of it as well and are of different minds on the matter as well as found through their own sermons and actions. Over time various divinations and other questions to the powers that be bring back mixed or unclear answers. Even Heironeous’s celestial choir is split with some calling it a heroic action as the cleric put his soul in mortal danger for the greater good while others see it as a travesty against all that is good. Heironeous’s Good and Lawful aspects come into some degree of conflict with each other. Could this lead to a schism within the church? Or open bloodshed? I am not sure how closely tied the church of Herioneous would be to the kingdom but perhaps somehow the disagreement enters the political arena with the each kingdom taking opposite views on the matter.</p><p> </p><p>And what does the big H have to say on the matter? He is strangely silent on the matter for the moment other than the player can still cast spells. Perhaps he is hoping the player see the error in his ways and truly repents as defined by you. Or he does believe it was for the greater good. Perhaps he is letting the hero define what Heironeous stands for as his proxy on the material plane as even he is split between his Lawful and Good side. Could this lead to Heironeous splitting into two lesser gods or find some sort of answer to the question? What other gods might find this to their advantage?</p><p></p><p>While you could just rule 0 and provide the player a clear answer from Heironeous, the lack of a clear answer has so much potential. Let the player and campaign live with the impacts of the action and see where the story takes you. </p><p></p><p>Good gaming to you!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vaslov, post: 4136100, member: 37953"] I think the posters before this have made fine arguments on both sides of the issue. As I see this as a very exciting development for the campaign I'll try to throw out what may be a third alternative. I assume others were spectators of this race and saw the event. If not directly in a coliseum perhaps via scrying the mounts or something of the like. They ask the same questions and bring up the same points as this board. Word spreads and the general populace is unsure of the right answer. Clerics of Heironeous see or hear of it as well and are of different minds on the matter as well as found through their own sermons and actions. Over time various divinations and other questions to the powers that be bring back mixed or unclear answers. Even Heironeous’s celestial choir is split with some calling it a heroic action as the cleric put his soul in mortal danger for the greater good while others see it as a travesty against all that is good. Heironeous’s Good and Lawful aspects come into some degree of conflict with each other. Could this lead to a schism within the church? Or open bloodshed? I am not sure how closely tied the church of Herioneous would be to the kingdom but perhaps somehow the disagreement enters the political arena with the each kingdom taking opposite views on the matter. And what does the big H have to say on the matter? He is strangely silent on the matter for the moment other than the player can still cast spells. Perhaps he is hoping the player see the error in his ways and truly repents as defined by you. Or he does believe it was for the greater good. Perhaps he is letting the hero define what Heironeous stands for as his proxy on the material plane as even he is split between his Lawful and Good side. Could this lead to Heironeous splitting into two lesser gods or find some sort of answer to the question? What other gods might find this to their advantage? While you could just rule 0 and provide the player a clear answer from Heironeous, the lack of a clear answer has so much potential. Let the player and campaign live with the impacts of the action and see where the story takes you. Good gaming to you! [/QUOTE]
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