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<blockquote data-quote="Mage of Spellford" data-source="post: 7167751" data-attributes="member: 21576"><p>Hey All,</p><p></p><p>Been DM'ing 5e since it came out but we only play once a week and my memory isn't what it used to be and I have a question. </p><p></p><p>1. Attack rolls against a prone creature have advantage and the creatures 'attack rolls' are at disadvantage which is pretty clear, however say the prone creature uses a special attack action to shove the grappler away/prone is this attack action at disadvantage? The confusion exists for me because there is no attack roll it is an opposed ability check and there is nothing in the RAW about disadvantage on ability checks when affected by the prone condition.</p><p></p><p>2. Pretty much the same question about invisible creatures. If I use shove or grapple to attack an invisible creature is it at disadvantage, if not then invisibility is somewhat nerfed isn't it?</p><p></p><p>3. If the answer to these two questions is yes to disadvantage then what about the Hex spell or any other spell action which allows you to affect ability checks but not attack rolls. Does this mean that Hex affects grapplers or creatures using the shove action even though it doesn't affect attacks?</p><p></p><p>What is your consensus?</p><p></p><p>MK</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mage of Spellford, post: 7167751, member: 21576"] Hey All, Been DM'ing 5e since it came out but we only play once a week and my memory isn't what it used to be and I have a question. 1. Attack rolls against a prone creature have advantage and the creatures 'attack rolls' are at disadvantage which is pretty clear, however say the prone creature uses a special attack action to shove the grappler away/prone is this attack action at disadvantage? The confusion exists for me because there is no attack roll it is an opposed ability check and there is nothing in the RAW about disadvantage on ability checks when affected by the prone condition. 2. Pretty much the same question about invisible creatures. If I use shove or grapple to attack an invisible creature is it at disadvantage, if not then invisibility is somewhat nerfed isn't it? 3. If the answer to these two questions is yes to disadvantage then what about the Hex spell or any other spell action which allows you to affect ability checks but not attack rolls. Does this mean that Hex affects grapplers or creatures using the shove action even though it doesn't affect attacks? What is your consensus? MK [/QUOTE]
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