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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6415086" data-attributes="member: 2011">The problem with vague rules is that they are vague.For example, you might be reading the sentence:&quot;if you make noise (such as shouting a warning of knocking over a vase), you give away your position.&quot;as&quot;if you make noise (such as shouting a warning of knocking over a vase), you give away your position and are visible (because you are no longer hidden).&quot;What if one were in light foliage? He might not be hidden, but is he suddenly seen?The rules in the PHB are problematic at best and it takes some serious effort to get one's head around them (you are not the first person to post their theory of how they work here).I just wish WotC would get their act together, put together a concise clean set of hiding rules, post it on their webpage, and be done with it. What they have now lacks clarity and it's spread across multiple portions of the PHB. Maybe the DMG will clear it up.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 6415086, member: 2011"] The problem with vague rules is that they are vague. For example, you might be reading the sentence: "if you make noise (such as shouting a warning of knocking over a vase), you give away your position." as "if you make noise (such as shouting a warning of knocking over a vase), you give away your position and are visible (because you are no longer hidden)." What if one were in light foliage? He might not be hidden, but is he suddenly seen? The rules in the PHB are problematic at best and it takes some serious effort to get one's head around them (you are not the first person to post their theory of how they work here). I just wish WotC would get their act together, put together a concise clean set of hiding rules, post it on their webpage, and be done with it. What they have now lacks clarity and it's spread across multiple portions of the PHB. Maybe the DMG will clear it up. [/QUOTE]

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