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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Johs" data-source="post: 6415192" data-attributes="member: 6784266">If a rogue were hiding in light obscurant when an orc walked by, you would compare the rogue's stealth check to the orc's passive perception -5.The rogue cannot "HIDE" behind a chair or light obscurant because hide is an action that can only be performed when there are no enemies who can see you. This isn't to say that a rogue can't be "hidden", using anything you want as an excuse for what he's hiding behind.If a second orc ACTUALLY detects your rogue, and shouts 'there is a rogue in those bushes' the rogue loses his hiding place, and is revealed to everybody. If an orc is just shouting that to shout it, putting the first orc on high alert, there are no rules for this situation except clearly the intention is for the GM to determine what he feels is appropriate, probably Advantage for the orc when he begins actively searching.If the rogue is still in light obscurement, there are rules for this too - the Advantage (of the orc searching) and Disadvantage (of the light obscurant) cancel, and the orc is actively searching normally, for Perception Vs Stealth.The orc would get his normal passive perception if there was not light obscurement.A Rogue can't hide 'when someone sees him'. He has to hide when no one is around, then when the orc approaches, he's already hiding. If the rogue's stealth check was higher than the orc's passive perception, he's safe. The orc only gets to roll his actual perception if he's 'actively searching' for the rogue.If there is light cover, the orc's passive perception is -5, and he has disadvantage on his perception (wisdom) check when actively searching.A rogue can 'hide' with normal stealth vs passive perception whenever there is no opponent's who can see him, and then an opponent walks by OR he's a lightfoot halfling near an ally within 5'. In these cases, there's nothing giving advantage or disadvantage or a penalty to passive perception.Really, none of these cases are even complicated."Hiding really sucks" when there are enemies who can see you, because you need to be either a lightfoot halfling with an ally nearby, or a wood elf with natural phenomenon, or have the Skulker feat with light obscurement. Then hide becomes amazing.</blockquote>

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