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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6415400" data-attributes="member: 2011">So if I am understanding this, he can hide behind all 5 things:1/2 cover, 3/4 cover, full cover, light obscurement, heavy obscurementThen it becomes a matter of the Stealth / Perception checks (passive in the case of not actively searching) when a foe comes along.So then, here is the weirdness that this is leading up to:When the Rogue is behind full cover or heavy obscurement, nobody is going to find him with some sort of perception check unless he makes noise or unless the NPC have advanced senses like a keen sense of smell. He cannot be seen.But in the case of 1/2 cover, 3/4 cover, and light obscurement, there are only special hiding rules for light obscurement.It's just as easy to hide behind a small boulder as it is to hide behind a large boulder.It's easier to hide behind some bushes (disadvantage) than it is some boulders.So here is where some of my disconnect is. Bushes are easier to hide behind than large boulders which are the same chance to hide behind as smaller boulders (assuming that the DM states that the bushes are light obscurement, the larger boulders are 3/4 cover, and the smaller boulders are 1/2 cover).The Rogue should never hide behind boulders if there are bushes nearby.The Rogue should never hide behind a chair if there is fog nearby, etc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 6415400, member: 2011"] So if I am understanding this, he can hide behind all 5 things: 1/2 cover, 3/4 cover, full cover, light obscurement, heavy obscurement Then it becomes a matter of the Stealth / Perception checks (passive in the case of not actively searching) when a foe comes along. So then, here is the weirdness that this is leading up to: When the Rogue is behind full cover or heavy obscurement, nobody is going to find him with some sort of perception check unless he makes noise or unless the NPC have advanced senses like a keen sense of smell. He cannot be seen. But in the case of 1/2 cover, 3/4 cover, and light obscurement, there are only special hiding rules for light obscurement. It's just as easy to hide behind a small boulder as it is to hide behind a large boulder. It's easier to hide behind some bushes (disadvantage) than it is some boulders. So here is where some of my disconnect is. Bushes are easier to hide behind than large boulders which are the same chance to hide behind as smaller boulders (assuming that the DM states that the bushes are light obscurement, the larger boulders are 3/4 cover, and the smaller boulders are 1/2 cover). The Rogue should never hide behind boulders if there are bushes nearby. The Rogue should never hide behind a chair if there is fog nearby, etc. [/QUOTE]

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