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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Authweight" data-source="post: 6418834" data-attributes="member: 6693417">The stealth rules are pretty hopelessly fubared IMO. My solution is to rewrite them entirely:1) Out of a fight, you can attempt to stealth anywhere, anytime you like. You just need to provide a convincing reason for why/how this could work. The target number will be the enemy's passive perception with situational modifiers. Trying to hide in plain sight is possible, but extremely difficult. If you are hidden and a fight begins, you remain hidden until something happens to reveal you.2) In a fight, you can attempt to hide using the hide action. For this to work, you must be heavily obscured or in 3/4 cover. Anything else will automatically fail unless there is a really good reason otherwise. This targets the enemy's passive perception. While you are hidden, enemies are assumed to know your general location, but not precisely enough to target you with an attack. They can definitely fling a fireball in your general direction though.3) Once you are hidden, you remain hidden until something happens that reveals you. Enemies can use their action to actively look for you. If one enemy sees you, they can use their action to aid another. You can move and remain hidden as long as you remain at least lightly obscured or stay within some level of cover. Attacking or moving out of cover/concealment reveals you immediately. You can attempt to move from one area of cover to another while remaining hidden, but doing so will require a new stealth check with situational modifiers based on the difficulty of the maneuver.My logic for this approach is that the hide action represents you ducking out of sight. At that point, if you succeed, then your enemies can't follow your movement, letting you stay hidden in places you couldn't hide in directly. If enemies really want to try and find you, they can look for you, or just move into a place where they can see you. By my rules, you can hide behind a chair before the fight starts, but not while the fight is going on. However, you can hide behind a wall, scurry across the room behind cover, and then roll behind a chair and stay hidden. To me, that feels about right and matches the tone I want. YMMV though.</blockquote>

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