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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ConnorSB" data-source="post: 1287590" data-attributes="member: 14273">I was pretty unsure, Lord Pendragon, and reading both rulebooks has actually left me more unsure.The one definite thing I can say is that the monster gets a +4 AC bonus from cover, regardless of ruleset and regardless of whether the ally is fighting the monster or not.As to whether the fighter gets a -4 penalty to attack the monster due to "shooting into combat," then things get fuzzy and compicated.What makes it especially unclear is that the Spiked Chain says in both editions that it is "quite different from all other reach weapons in that it can attack adjacent foes as well as those 10 ft out" or somesuch. Whether that makes it whiplike or not, i'm not sure.But IF I RAN THINGS, this is how I would do it, in either edition. Logically, spears and other hafted weapons don't do damage with thier hafts, and so could not hurt the ally when his "cover-providing-ness" causes the fighter to miss the monster due to cover. Logically, since a spear cannot threaten the ally, he can't be hurt by it. Whips and spiked chains (and potentially other things), however, do threaten both the monster and the ally, and so in that case I would invoke the "you just hit the cover and hurt it lots" rule, but not the shooting into a melee penalty.</blockquote>