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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4950962" data-attributes="member: 71571">Pick a Square and Attack: Choose a square to attack, using whatever information you’ve gleaned so far about the target’s location. Roll the attack normally (taking the –5 penalty for attacking a creature that has total concealment). If you pick the wrong square, your attack automatically misses, but only the DM knows whether you guessed the wrong square or your attack just missed.You need a target in order to start guessing the square it is in.&nbsp; No target, no information gleaned, no clue at all there's a creature present, no targetting a square.Who cares?You still require a target in order to attack a square.&nbsp; And you require a target to teleport adjacent to.&nbsp; The effect requires that target.&nbsp; And 'attacking a square' is -not- allowed in the rules unless you're chasing down a creature you can't see.&nbsp; See above.&nbsp; You need a target before you can start guessing where it is, and you need information about it before you can guess where it is.Bag 'o rats -doesn't- allow you to use rules for targetting invisible creatures to just willynilly attack nothing.&nbsp; The DM -can- put the kybosh on that -if- he feels it's not right.If you know nothing is in that square, then you cannot guess that square as you have no information showing a target could be in that square.&nbsp; See above section I just quoted.Don't be making -up- rules now.Except for the not using 'Attacking What you Cannot See' to mean 'Attacking WHat You Know Does Not Exist.'&nbsp; That part's a lot of a violation and -that- can be bag-of-rats or whatever you want to call that section of the DMG that allows a DM to go 'No, even if you could technically do that, that's against the intent and spirit of how that rule works.'</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 4950962, member: 71571"] [I]Pick a Square and Attack: Choose a square to attack, [B]using whatever information you’ve gleaned so far about the target’s location. [/B]Roll the attack normally (taking the –5 penalty for attacking a creature that has total concealment). If you pick the wrong square, your attack automatically misses, but only the DM knows whether you guessed the wrong square or your attack just missed.[/I] You need a target in order to start guessing the square it is in. No target, no information gleaned, no clue at all there's a creature present, no targetting a square. Who cares? You still require a target in order to attack a square. And you require a target to teleport adjacent to. The effect requires that target. And 'attacking a square' is -not- allowed in the rules unless you're chasing down a creature you can't see. See above. You need a target before you can start guessing where it is, and you need information about it before you can guess where it is. Bag 'o rats -doesn't- allow you to use rules for targetting invisible creatures to just willynilly attack nothing. The DM -can- put the kybosh on that -if- he feels it's not right. If you know nothing is in that square, then you cannot guess that square as you have no information showing a target could be in that square. See above section I just quoted. Don't be making -up- rules now. Except for the not using 'Attacking What you Cannot See' to mean 'Attacking WHat You Know Does Not Exist.' That part's a lot of a violation and -that- can be bag-of-rats or whatever you want to call that section of the DMG that allows a DM to go 'No, even if you could technically do that, that's against the intent and spirit of how that rule works.' [/QUOTE]

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