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<blockquote data-quote="Turtlejay" data-source="post: 4957888" data-attributes="member: 70267">What I don't understand is how folks think it is *useful* to take the rules for attacking invisible creatures out of context.&nbsp; Yes, the paragraph could be read to support your position, but it is under the rules for invisible creatures, and context matters.&nbsp; I am not going to bring rules for polo to the game table and try to use them to pass of my position.&nbsp; I know where you are coming from, I just really don't get how you can legitimately use that argument.&nbsp; Draco has pointed it out numerous times, I don't feel the need to do it again, but the reference for the paragraph you are using is in this very thread.&nbsp; You are using it wrong.&nbsp;And I see no problem using this particular example out of combat, as a teleport is a teleport is a teleport, but if you argue for a looser rules interpretation (one not supported by RAW) you open doors to player abuse.&nbsp; Folks trot out the two ends of the spectrum, Effects that apply on a miss, or Effects that are mostly harmless and obtainable by regular Utility powers, but there is a spectrum of grey that should be watched for.&nbsp;Jay</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Turtlejay, post: 4957888, member: 70267"] What I don't understand is how folks think it is *useful* to take the rules for attacking invisible creatures out of context. Yes, the paragraph could be read to support your position, but it is under the rules for invisible creatures, and context matters. I am not going to bring rules for polo to the game table and try to use them to pass of my position. I know where you are coming from, I just really don't get how you can legitimately use that argument. Draco has pointed it out numerous times, I don't feel the need to do it again, but the reference for the paragraph you are using is in this very thread. You are using it wrong. And I see no problem using this particular example out of combat, as a teleport is a teleport is a teleport, but if you argue for a looser rules interpretation (one not supported by RAW) you open doors to player abuse. Folks trot out the two ends of the spectrum, Effects that apply on a miss, or Effects that are mostly harmless and obtainable by regular Utility powers, but there is a spectrum of grey that should be watched for. Jay [/QUOTE]

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