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<blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 4958100" data-attributes="member: 53980">The thing is, it isn't part of the rules for attacking invisible opponents (except tangentially).&nbsp; The rules for attacking invisible opponents merely refer back to the rule that allows you to target a square instead of a creature.Open you PHB to page 272.&nbsp; Look to the bottom of the page and you'll see the header, &quot;Choosing Targets&quot;.&nbsp; Below that, the first paragraph explains that enemies must be eligible targets, and it explains what that entails (must be in range and must be able to be targeted).&nbsp; The next paragraph goes on to state that you can target a square instead of an enemy, and follows that up by mentioning that that is a useful tactic if a target has total concealment.In that entire section the only time invisibility is mentioned, is as a situation in which you might find it useful to use that particular rule of targeting (targeting a square).The subsequent sub-headings (Range and Seeing and Targeting), on page 273, go far beyond the rules for attacking invisible opponents as well.Pages 272-273 are not a section devoted to the rules of targeting invisible creatures.&nbsp; The rules for targeting invisible creatures obviously refer back to the rules of general targeting when necessary because they are all rules for targeting creatures.&nbsp; If the header was &quot;Targeting Invisible Creatures&quot; I'd concede the point.&nbsp; However, the header is quite clearly &quot;Choosing Targets&quot; and unsurprisingly includes a rather involved overview of the general rules for targeting.What you are probably referring to is &quot;Targeting What You Can't See&quot; at the bottom of page 281.&nbsp; It does mention choosing a square to attack.&nbsp; However, it seems pretty clear to me that this is simply a collection of the relevant rules for attacking invisible creatures.&nbsp; Rule X being needed for scenario Y doesn't exclude scenario Z from also using rule X.&nbsp; Invisibility is a relatively common and potentially confusing scenario so they created a sidebar specifically to explain each of the steps.I am not taking the rules out of context in any way that I can see.&nbsp; The rules for targeting invisible opponents may refer to targeting a square, but the rule for targeting a square came first.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Fanaelialae, post: 4958100, member: 53980"] The thing is, it [i]isn't[/i] part of the rules for attacking invisible opponents (except tangentially). The rules for attacking invisible opponents merely refer back to the rule that allows you to target a square instead of a creature. Open you PHB to page 272. Look to the bottom of the page and you'll see the header, "[b]Choosing Targets[/b]". Below that, the first paragraph explains that enemies must be eligible targets, and it explains what that entails (must be in range and must be able to be targeted). The next paragraph goes on to state that you can target a square instead of an enemy, and follows that up by mentioning that that is a [i]useful[/i] tactic if a target has total concealment. In that entire section the only time invisibility is mentioned, is as a situation in which you might find it useful to use that particular rule of targeting (targeting a square). The subsequent sub-headings ([b]Range[/b] and [b]Seeing and Targeting[/b]), on page 273, go far beyond the rules for attacking invisible opponents as well. Pages 272-273 are not a section devoted to the rules of targeting invisible creatures. The rules for [i]targeting[/i] invisible creatures obviously refer back to the rules of general [i]targeting[/i] when necessary because they are all rules for [i]targeting[/i] creatures. If the header was "[b]Targeting Invisible Creatures[/b]" I'd concede the point. However, the header is quite clearly "[b]Choosing Targets[/b]" and unsurprisingly includes a rather involved overview of the general rules for targeting. What you are probably referring to is "[b]Targeting What You Can't See[/b]" at the bottom of page 281. It does mention choosing a square to attack. However, it seems pretty clear to me that this is simply a collection of the relevant rules for attacking invisible creatures. Rule X being needed for scenario Y doesn't exclude scenario Z from also using rule X. Invisibility is a relatively common and potentially confusing scenario so they created a sidebar specifically to explain each of the steps. I am not taking the rules out of context in any way that I can see. The rules for targeting invisible opponents may refer to targeting a square, but the rule for targeting a square came first. [/QUOTE]

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