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<blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 4958806" data-attributes="member: 53980">Page 219 of the PHB2 is quite obvious in that it excludes the requirement of a target from the definition of Effect.&nbsp; In other words, it also says -nothing- about effects only occurring when you make opportunity attacks, but I think we can safely say that you don't have to make an opportunity attack for an effect to occur (the rules don't reference each other).Page 218-219 of the PHB2, in sharp contrast, notes the requirement of target in the definitions for hit and miss.I believe you are mistaken, as I've previously tried to explain.Those utility powers you are referring to make reference to the target in the effect line.&nbsp; Take a look at Shield of Faith, PHB page 64, if you need an example.&nbsp; In these cases the effect specifically references the target line of the power.&nbsp; 4e is an exception-based system.&nbsp; If an effect line in a power states that it utilizes a target line then it does so, but if it doesn't you need to use the general effect rules found on page 219 of the PHB2, which quite clearly do NOT define an effect as requiring a target.&nbsp; It's as if a power stated &quot;you may make an opportunity attack using this power if an enemy leaves a space adjacent to you due to forced movement&quot;.&nbsp; In this case, that specific power allows you to make an opportunity attack when a creature would provoke due to forced movement.&nbsp; That doesn't mean you can suddenly start making opportunity attacks using any power you want when an enemy is hit with a forced movement power.&nbsp; The forced movement rules (which state that creatures experiencing forced movement don't provoke opportunity attacks) don't cease to exist regardless of how many powers are published allowing an exception to that rule.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Fanaelialae, post: 4958806, member: 53980"] Page 219 of the PHB2 is quite obvious in that it excludes the requirement of a target from the definition of [b]Effect[/b]. In other words, it also says -nothing- about [b]effects[/b] only occurring when you make opportunity attacks, but I think we can safely say that you don't have to make an opportunity attack for an [b]effect[/b] to occur (the rules don't reference each other). Page 218-219 of the PHB2, in sharp contrast, notes the requirement of [b]target[/b] in the definitions for [b]hit[/b] and [b]miss[/b]. I believe you are mistaken, as I've previously tried to explain. Those utility powers you are referring to make reference to the target [i]in the [b]effect[/b] line[/i]. Take a look at Shield of Faith, PHB page 64, if you need an example. In these cases the [b]effect[/b] specifically references the [b]target[/b] line of the power. 4e is an exception-based system. If an [b]effect[/b] line in a power states that it utilizes a target line then it does so, but if it doesn't you need to use the general [b]effect[/b] rules found on page 219 of the PHB2, which quite clearly do [i]NOT[/i] define an [b]effect[/b] as requiring a [b]target[/b]. It's as if a power stated "you may make an opportunity attack using this power if an enemy leaves a space adjacent to you due to forced movement". In this case, that specific power allows you to make an opportunity attack when a creature would provoke due to forced movement. That doesn't mean you can suddenly start making opportunity attacks using any power you want when an enemy is hit with a forced movement power. The forced movement rules (which state that creatures experiencing forced movement don't provoke opportunity attacks) don't cease to exist regardless of how many powers are published allowing an exception to that rule. [/QUOTE]

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