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<blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 4959217" data-attributes="member: 53980">Did you even read what I said?What I said was that the sidebar process on PHB page 281 is misleading.I went further to explain that where it states, &quot;If you pick the wrong square, your attack automatically misses...&quot; it is an incoherent statement as written (or at least one that would produce clearly unintended consequences).&nbsp; Imagine that I use a daily power that deals half damage on a miss trying to attack an invisible creature using page 281.&nbsp; I end up choosing the wrong square.&nbsp; Either I am still somehow targeting the creature in which case I use quantum-magic to deal half damage to it even though it's on the other side of the room, or I'm supposed to resolve the miss on the empty square itself, which is impossible because it isn't a legal target (hence, I couldn't miss to begin with).In neither situation does the phrasing of PHB page 281 make sense, unless you move beyond what is written and assume what is intended (you are targeting a square lacking a target and therefore hit and miss cannot be resolved; effect still can be since target does not modify its definition, unless the power states otherwise).That still does not support your assertion that page 281 is the only method for resolving the targeting of an empty square.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Fanaelialae, post: 4959217, member: 53980"] Did you even read what I said? What I said was that the sidebar process on PHB page 281 is misleading. I went further to explain that where it states, "If you pick the wrong square, your attack automatically misses..." it is an incoherent statement as written (or at least one that would produce clearly unintended consequences). Imagine that I use a daily power that deals half damage on a miss trying to attack an invisible creature using page 281. I end up choosing the wrong square. [i]Either[/i] I am still somehow targeting the creature in which case I use quantum-magic to deal half damage to it even though it's on the other side of the room, [i]or[/i] I'm supposed to resolve the miss on the empty square itself, which is impossible because it isn't a legal [b]target[/b] (hence, I couldn't [b]miss[/b] to begin with). In [i]neither[/i] situation does the phrasing of PHB page 281 make sense, unless you move beyond what is written and assume what is intended (you are targeting a square lacking a [b]target[/b] and therefore [b]hit[/b] and [b]miss[/b] cannot be resolved; [b]effect[/b] still can be since [b]target[/b] does not modify its definition, unless the power states otherwise). That still does not support your assertion that page 281 is the only method for resolving the targeting of an empty square. [/QUOTE]

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