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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4961483" data-attributes="member: 71571">It's not Area/Close vs Ranged/Melee.&nbsp; It's a matter of the Target line.Because you still make the attack with an AoE against all legal targets.&nbsp; The Area attack itself tells you 'All Creatures in Area' or what have you.The thing is, you can have 'All creatures' describe zero creatures successfully and it does not fail.&nbsp; However, if the target line says 'One creature' then you cannot use it on zero creatures, for the exact same reason you cannot use an attack that says 'Two creatures' on only one creature.&nbsp; Attacks that allow you to do less -say- less.&nbsp; 'One or Two creatures' or 'one, two, or three creatures.'&nbsp; Some close powers also use the 'One creature in burst' template and those follow the same rule.&nbsp; All creatures -can- be zero.&nbsp; One creature -cannot be zero-.There is nothing wrong with allowing some utility from attack powers outside the rulesset.&nbsp; I actually agree with you that it is okay to do this.&nbsp; Please don't take the rules-stance as any attack against that.&nbsp; But what the rules say and what you are comfortable allowing are two different ideas.&nbsp; And having the -DM- in charge of the rules allows you to take control should a rules lawyer try to use this to finaggle his way into a power-game benefit.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 4961483, member: 71571"] It's not Area/Close vs Ranged/Melee. It's a matter of the Target line. Because you still make the attack with an AoE against all legal targets. The Area attack itself tells you 'All Creatures in Area' or what have you. The thing is, you can have 'All creatures' describe zero creatures successfully and it does not fail. However, if the target line says 'One creature' then you cannot use it on zero creatures, for the exact same reason you cannot use an attack that says 'Two creatures' on only one creature. Attacks that allow you to do less -say- less. 'One or Two creatures' or 'one, two, or three creatures.' Some close powers also use the 'One creature in burst' template and those follow the same rule. All creatures -can- be zero. One creature -cannot be zero-. There is nothing wrong with allowing some utility from attack powers outside the rulesset. I actually agree with you that it is okay to do this. Please don't take the rules-stance as any attack against that. But what the rules say and what you are comfortable allowing are two different ideas. And having the -DM- in charge of the rules allows you to take control should a rules lawyer try to use this to finaggle his way into a power-game benefit. [/QUOTE]

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