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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ColdHeart" data-source="post: 4961951" data-attributes="member: 85753">Further discussion why I think using DLS and other similar powers is not against the rules but very much within the wording of the rules.The main point Draco likes to make is "Target: One Creature" must be a creature you can think of which could be within the vacinity of where you are. Now firstly, if this was the case where are the rules or guidelines indicating what creatures are considered valid for this? The DMG covers bags of rats and "allies <> army", but I've not seen or heard of anything about "a creature you met 2 days ago and threatened to kill you is not a valid target of a power so you may attack an empty square". And to me, this is the first indication he maybe wrong.Futhermore, what is "One creature"? Well, if a power hits "all creatures in AoE" it will affect all Enemies and all Allies. So A Creature can be An Enemy or An Ally. Now PHB272 specifically states instead of targetting an enemy, you can target a square. Instead is a key-word here and means you can substitute an enemy with a square. And being as "an enemy" counts as "one creature" then the requisite of targetting "one creature" can be met by targetting "one square". Also this is a complete substitution. At no point does it imply that you still need a threat who you believe to be in the square.Now for people who say "targetting a square is only a means of targetting an invisible enemy". Where does it specifically and explicitly state this? The closest clue would be the next line which states targetting a square is useful for attacking invisible targets. However it does not state "can only be used for", so it is an example of when you would want to do this.I will now point out 2 further examples where this tactic is useful:A ranger walks into an empty room. He senses something is wrong with the room, but is unsure what. He uses a power that lets him fire his bow at multiple targets (Target: 1, 2 or 3 creatures). He targets 3 corners of the room (3 squares) and fires his arrow. 2 of the arrows burst into flame before they hit the target, indicating the room is not as safe as it looked.Imagine a room with this monster layout:------x------x--x--------and an attack power which goes something like this:Range 10Target: One CreatureAttack: Int vs ReflexHit: 2D6 + Int damageMake secondary attacks against all creatures adjacent to the primary target.Attack: Int vs ReflexHit: 1D6 + Int damageNow, going by the rule "a square = one creature" I can target the centre square with the primary attack, hit nothing, then make secondary attacks against all 3 enemy. Going by the alternative rule, I could only make a primary attack against a single target and get no secondary attacks.So the wording indicates, to me at least, that any attack targetting at "one creature" can happily target "a square" without any further requirements. Any power with a hit/miss effect has no further effect unless there is an actual target in that area. However any further effects of the power continue to happen.</blockquote>

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