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<blockquote data-quote="Nichwee" data-source="post: 4963738" data-attributes="member: 84242">Point 1 : Yes. Attacking a spot on the ground (or a patch of air) is like targetting an apple. You look at it, you aim, you perform your attack, it may or may not hit, it may or may not have any effect.Point 2 : Huh, not folowing this at all. Why does one need to be hypnotised to swing a sword without a target? I do it every Tuesday. I call it practicing (as I am a member of a Fencing club, well technically I stab with my sword at nothing as an epee is a tip-based weapon not a blade-based one).I find it hard to believe no DnD character is every going to have practiced his powers out of combat to perfect them - I'm a theorist by profession, but even I would want some practical experience before using an ability in a life-threatening situation.And lastly I have noticed a cute side effect of all the &quot;Valid Target Needed&quot; arguements, when combined with &quot;Bag-Of-Rats Meaningful Threat&quot; rules. A Lvl 1 Fighter can solo a Lvl 30 character.Why? Because the Hit effect of doing damage requires a &quot;Meaningful Threat&quot; to work - so no damage is done and the Lvl 1 Fighter is untargetable, unhittable and unbeatable.Yes, this is codswallop.I mention it to remind people that common sense does trump rules as written once in a while.And being able to perform katas out of combat, being able to shoot an arrow into the air, being able to swing a sword without planning to hit anything make sense. Would you do damage in any of these cases? NO.Would you have other 'effects' caused by them. YES. It wouldn't be very good practice of your &quot;Fast Moving Attack Power Of Awesome&quot; if you couldn't trigger the Effect to move about and attack again (for example), would it? Effects are stuff that happens as part of/because of using the power, not because of who you use it on (with obvious exceptions when the Effect enhances the Hit type results).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nichwee, post: 4963738, member: 84242"] Point 1 : Yes. Attacking a spot on the ground (or a patch of air) is like targetting an apple. You look at it, you aim, you perform your attack, it may or may not hit, it may or may not have any effect. Point 2 : Huh, not folowing this at all. Why does one need to be hypnotised to swing a sword without a target? I do it every Tuesday. I call it practicing (as I am a member of a Fencing club, well technically I stab with my sword at nothing as an epee is a tip-based weapon not a blade-based one). I find it hard to believe no DnD character is every going to have practiced his powers out of combat to perfect them - I'm a theorist by profession, but even I would want some practical experience before using an ability in a life-threatening situation. And lastly I have noticed a cute side effect of all the "Valid Target Needed" arguements, when combined with "Bag-Of-Rats Meaningful Threat" rules. A Lvl 1 Fighter can solo a Lvl 30 character. Why? Because the Hit effect of doing damage requires a "Meaningful Threat" to work - so no damage is done and the Lvl 1 Fighter is untargetable, unhittable and unbeatable. Yes, this is codswallop. I mention it to remind people that common sense does trump rules as written once in a while. And being able to perform katas out of combat, being able to shoot an arrow into the air, being able to swing a sword without planning to hit anything make sense. Would you do damage in any of these cases? NO. Would you have other 'effects' caused by them. YES. It wouldn't be very good practice of your "Fast Moving Attack Power Of Awesome" if you couldn't trigger the Effect to move about and attack again (for example), would it? Effects are stuff that happens as part of/because of using the power, not because of who you use it on (with obvious exceptions when the Effect enhances the Hit type results). [/QUOTE]

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