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Attacks of Opportunity and inititive order
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<blockquote data-quote="Charlemagne" data-source="post: 277169" data-attributes="member: 6129"><p>Thank you for your replies. I would tend to agree with all of them, except that I still cannot reconcile the language on pg. 122 of the PHB: "An experienced character gets additional regular melee attacks (by using the full attack action), but at a lower attack bonus. You make your attack of opportunity, however, at your normal attack bonus - even if you've already attacked this round."</p><p>With the previous example, this would seem to indicate that the fighter who has the low inititive and takes the AoO against the orc would then only get two attacks at his regular inititive order at +10 and +5 respectively. If that is not correct what does the language above mean? Why even say anything about "using the full attack action" or "lower attack bonus" if an AoO is simply an extra attack which has no effect on your normal attacks? But if the rule is interpreted that way then it would lead to the following strange outcome:</p><p>F1 has attack bonuses of +6, and +1 with inititive of 12.</p><p>C1 has an attack bonus of +5 with intitive order of 16.</p><p>W1 has an inititive order of 5.</p><p>Orc has an intitive order of 14.</p><p></p><p>Second round, no one flat-footed.</p><p>C1, F1, and orc all engaged, W1 is behind C1 and F1.</p><p>C1 attacks orc at +5 and misses.</p><p>Orc moves past both F1 and C1 provoking attack of opportunity from both. C1 gets another attack at +5. F1 gets an AoO at +6. Orc still alive and kills W1 as previous example. Now F1 gets regular turn but only gets 1 additional attack at the lower attack bonus of +1. Problem, the lower level C1 got two attacks in the round at +5 each, whereas the higher level F1 got two attacks at +6 and +1. Maybe the fact that C1 rolled a higher inititive gives him an advantage over the higher level fighter. This seems to be what the above quoted language means. Can anyone explain this? Thank you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Charlemagne, post: 277169, member: 6129"] Thank you for your replies. I would tend to agree with all of them, except that I still cannot reconcile the language on pg. 122 of the PHB: "An experienced character gets additional regular melee attacks (by using the full attack action), but at a lower attack bonus. You make your attack of opportunity, however, at your normal attack bonus - even if you've already attacked this round." With the previous example, this would seem to indicate that the fighter who has the low inititive and takes the AoO against the orc would then only get two attacks at his regular inititive order at +10 and +5 respectively. If that is not correct what does the language above mean? Why even say anything about "using the full attack action" or "lower attack bonus" if an AoO is simply an extra attack which has no effect on your normal attacks? But if the rule is interpreted that way then it would lead to the following strange outcome: F1 has attack bonuses of +6, and +1 with inititive of 12. C1 has an attack bonus of +5 with intitive order of 16. W1 has an inititive order of 5. Orc has an intitive order of 14. Second round, no one flat-footed. C1, F1, and orc all engaged, W1 is behind C1 and F1. C1 attacks orc at +5 and misses. Orc moves past both F1 and C1 provoking attack of opportunity from both. C1 gets another attack at +5. F1 gets an AoO at +6. Orc still alive and kills W1 as previous example. Now F1 gets regular turn but only gets 1 additional attack at the lower attack bonus of +1. Problem, the lower level C1 got two attacks in the round at +5 each, whereas the higher level F1 got two attacks at +6 and +1. Maybe the fact that C1 rolled a higher inititive gives him an advantage over the higher level fighter. This seems to be what the above quoted language means. Can anyone explain this? Thank you. [/QUOTE]
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