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<blockquote data-quote="MoogleEmpMog" data-source="post: 3506185" data-attributes="member: 22882">Actually, it's VERY likely.&nbsp; At 30 ft., your chances of hitting and putting down someone who decides to charge you with a knife are not at all good - probably no better than the knife-wielder's chances of closing with you, possibly after a missed shot, and putting a knife through you.Admittedly, in the example given, the gun person is initiating combat by shooting someone for mouthing off, rather than both starting the encounter wary and ready for action (much less the gunman drawing and firing, in which case someone with a drawn knife almost certainly has the edge at 30 ft.).&nbsp; I would consider your scenario a surprise round, not roll for initiative.Certainly, as a player, I've interrupted a villain monologue with &quot;I shoot him.&quot;&nbsp; If the GM had called for initiative rather than treating my firing in mid-sentence as a surprise round, I'd have been a bit ticked off.SCENARIO 1: Gunman aims, knifer mouths off, gunman shoots him.&nbsp; Advantage: gunman (he gets a surprise round).SCENARIO 2: Gunman aims, knifer feints and charges.&nbsp; Advantage: none (roll for initiative).SCENARIO 3: Gunman aims, knifer feints and charges but is 65 ft. away (and has no movement abilities).&nbsp; Advantage: gunman (even without a surprise round, he gets to shoot first).That's actually pretty realistic, from what I can tell.Mind you, I'm not opposed to AoO rules for ranged weapons and am strongly in favor of anything that improves the value of cover (although d20 Modern cover already goes up to +6 and +8 if you've got enough of it).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MoogleEmpMog, post: 3506185, member: 22882"] Actually, it's VERY likely. At 30 ft., your chances of hitting and putting down someone who decides to charge you with a knife are not at all good - probably no better than the knife-wielder's chances of closing with you, possibly after a missed shot, and putting a knife through you. Admittedly, in the example given, the gun person is initiating combat by shooting someone for mouthing off, rather than both starting the encounter wary and ready for action (much less the gunman drawing and firing, in which case someone with a drawn knife almost certainly has the edge at 30 ft.). I would consider your scenario a surprise round, not roll for initiative. Certainly, as a player, I've interrupted a villain monologue with "I shoot him." If the GM had called for initiative rather than treating my firing in mid-sentence as a surprise round, I'd have been a bit ticked off. SCENARIO 1: Gunman aims, knifer mouths off, gunman shoots him. Advantage: gunman (he gets a surprise round). SCENARIO 2: Gunman aims, knifer feints and charges. Advantage: none (roll for initiative). SCENARIO 3: Gunman aims, knifer feints and charges but is 65 ft. away (and has no movement abilities). Advantage: gunman (even without a surprise round, he gets to shoot first). That's actually pretty realistic, from what I can tell. Mind you, I'm not opposed to AoO rules for ranged weapons and am strongly in favor of anything that improves the value of cover (although d20 Modern cover already goes up to +6 and +8 if you've got enough of it). [/QUOTE]

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