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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arkhandus" data-source="post: 4213894" data-attributes="member: 13966">Eh, I dunno.  I liked the kinda specific forms used in the PHB2.  The more open-ended you make it, the more abusable it becomes, and the more fiddly, to where it's more likely to slow down play.  Sure, normal wild shape is already that way, but the shapeshift variant made it vastly simpler and quicker, which was one of its advantages.And I just don't particularly see it making much sense for a druid, a scion of nature, to try taking wierd, not-natural forms.  I just think it makes more sense for them to mimic actual animals, plant creatures, and elementals.  It'd be nice if there were, for example, one form that could represent a shark, porpoise, narwhal, orca, or similar (like, a Medium aquatic form that could be Large size at upper levels), another form that could represent a man-sized or bear-sized land predator (climb speed probably available at some point; maybe at upper levels they could use either climb speed with Medium size or no climb speed with Large size), another form for birds of prey, dire bats, and similar (probably small or medium), a small or tiny land form for burrowing and scouting type stuff, then keep the plant form and elemental fury forms as upper level ones.  I dunno, maybe it wouldn't be as useful, but whatever.In any case; minor note on the attack forms from the first post.  Your Mobility form should probably use Bite or Talons, since the kinds of creatures it would represent would more likely have a beak or teeth rather than some kind of bludgeoning attack.  Slayer form probably needs 2 Claw attacks to go with the Bite, seeing as Rend and Rake generally use 2 Claws, and the forms that would be used for that would typically have big claws or something.Also, I think the Elemental Fury form defeats most of the purpose of the Mobility, Slayer, and Tank forms.  Air version is more maneuverable and just as fast as the flying Mobility form, hits harder, and just needs one of the druid's normal feats to get Fly-By Attack.  While the Water version is similar for the swimming Mobility form, with more damage output but no extra maneuverability.Earth version's earthglide is better than the burrowing Mobility form, and of course hits harder and is much tougher.  Earth version is also better than the Tank form for durability and damage output, if only a little, while also more maneuverable (to be fair though, it does lack the battlefield control sort of capability).  Fire version is about as damaging or or slightly moreso than the Slayer form, but larger, though notably it is about on-par, so it doesn't really eclipse the Slayer form, but rather makes one or the other just redundant.</blockquote>

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