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<blockquote data-quote="mroberon1972" data-source="post: 371413" data-attributes="member: 5148">Thats why I'm probably scrapping it and adding a CR penalty to certain monsters.&nbsp;&nbsp; What do people think?&nbsp; Would a CR 4 Celestial Cockatrice be too much for a 4th level spell?Lets see...&nbsp; It has to make a to hit roll, then gives a fort save...&nbsp; I figure the characters about 8th level, and the same CR for the villains...&nbsp; Figure that the Cockatrice can only hit and stone about one time in 5-10...&nbsp; Lasts 8 rounds...&nbsp; Chances are that it will be able to turn somebody to stone.&nbsp; Compare this with the 6th level flesh to stone spell and a 12th level caster for casting it:&nbsp; ranged attack of 100+ feet, DR for the spell of about 19, happens immediately...&nbsp; Perhaps your right...&nbsp; Hard to say...What do you guys think of the CR in the book being for summoned creatures?&nbsp; As it is, I've had to add 2 CR to all dragons in order to balance them with the spell...And gods above help me:&nbsp; My wizard has just paid the cost to summon a Celestial&nbsp; Gelatinous Cube...&nbsp; ARRRGGGG!&nbsp;&nbsp; I HATE those things...&nbsp; They are so....&nbsp; Silly...&nbsp;&nbsp; Celestial no less...&nbsp; Kill me now!I'm thinking about making her use some kind of water elemental template instead for it...&nbsp; Anyone know of one?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="mroberon1972, post: 371413, member: 5148"] Thats why I'm probably scrapping it and adding a CR penalty to certain monsters. What do people think? Would a CR 4 Celestial Cockatrice be too much for a 4th level spell? Lets see... It has to make a to hit roll, then gives a fort save... I figure the characters about 8th level, and the same CR for the villains... Figure that the Cockatrice can only hit and stone about one time in 5-10... Lasts 8 rounds... Chances are that it will be able to turn somebody to stone. Compare this with the 6th level flesh to stone spell and a 12th level caster for casting it: ranged attack of 100+ feet, DR for the spell of about 19, happens immediately... Perhaps your right... Hard to say... What do you guys think of the CR in the book being for summoned creatures? As it is, I've had to add 2 CR to all dragons in order to balance them with the spell... And gods above help me: My wizard has just paid the cost to summon a Celestial Gelatinous Cube... ARRRGGGG! I HATE those things... They are so.... Silly... Celestial no less... Kill me now! I'm thinking about making her use some kind of water elemental template instead for it... Anyone know of one? [/QUOTE]

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