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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tequila Sunrise" data-source="post: 5688177" data-attributes="member: 40398">Excellent observations.I think it's the inconsistency that I have the biggest problem with. If clerics are as restricted as paladins, or if paladins are only as restricted as clerics, there isn't this asymmetrical archetyping. But having one class be be a one-size-fits-all chasis, and another class being a xerox copy of a few very specific figures just gets under my skin.RP restrictions don't balance mechanical restrictions, IMO.To my way of thinking, a paladin isn't chosen any more than a cleric is. Arguably, this conflicts with D&D literature but honestly...I've never been all that concerned with D&D literature. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I have a degree in English, and I took a whole course on Arthurian legend, which focused mainly on Le Mort D'Arthur.To be blunt, all of the knights were a-holes. Arthur and Lancelot included. They didn't care about protecting the innocent or the weak; they didn't care about justice or fair treatment. They liked Arthur because he led them in bloody victory and in loot, and they generally respected other Knights of the Round Table and noble [read: sexy and wealthy] ladies.But our idea of chivalry and honor is grossly distorted from how it actually worked. Arthur's knights, Lancelot included, regularly attacked and killed peasants and outsider knights just for being in the way. Their creedo was basically 'Might makes right, so long as we thank God afterward.'One particular story starts when Guinevere is kidnapped and taken to an enemy castle. In order to get in and rescue her, Lancelot decides to commandeer a horse-and-cart to hide in. When the owner of the cart objects to having his cart stolen, Lancelot simply kills the peasant with a slap of his mailed glove. (Apparently Lance was that strong.) And that's how Lancelot got the name 'Knight of the Cart.'Arthur himself is far from noble, as we imagine him. You know how in the bible, the Pharoah tries to kill Moses before he grows up by having all male children murdered? Well, Arthur does just that when he hears the prophesy that his son will one day kill him. He has all of Britain's recent male babes drowned; obviously Modred escapes, much as Moses did.Arthur and his knights rule Britain for many years, so by the end of the saga, they lose some of their vigor. But I don't remember any divine weakening that wasn't a direct result of exposure to the Grail, so I'm skeptical of the idea that Lance's indiscretions have anything to do with his fighting prowess.</blockquote>

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