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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jer" data-source="post: 4208888" data-attributes="member: 19857">Eh - it depends on the game and the personality of the player.  It can be awesome, it can also lead to people never wanting to play a game with that particular player ever ever again.  IME it's kind of like playing with a paladin in the group - some players can pull it off and other players make you want to subtly encourage their paladin off into the great beyond so that they'll roll up something else.I disagree with this wholeheartedly - one of the biggest MISTAKES that 2e made was to introduce spheres and to rename the "cleric" as "priest".  It reinforced this idea that "all priests are clerics".  One of the things that 3e got right was to create the adept NPC class and to discourage the idea that the "militant priest" should be the model for ALL priests in the world.  I'd like to see them take that a step farther in the future and create a PC priest class that was more like a wizard than a cleric - just to reinforce the idea that not all priests are Templars and Hospitallers.Anyway, back to the OP - since I tend to always play the cleric when I actually play, I don't think I'm going to miss clerical spell selection at all.  I know that I'm not going to miss it as a DM - the "camping" portion of the game is always the worst as the cleric player tries to figure out if he's just going to just prepare the same spells he already has on his list or if he's going to get all new ones.  At least the wizard was restricted to the spells in his book to choose from.And as far as being able to make different clerics -- I actually hope that they come out with some new classes for new priests instead.  Clerics fill a leader role, why not some other type of priest to fill a controller role?  Or a striker role?  Going back to what I said above, not all priests need to be militant holy warriors who inspire/heal their comrades in battle.  A new priest class that focuses on silver-tongued distractions and illusions would make a great fit for Trickster gods (like Loki) while a different one that centered on controlling weather and environmental effects could make for a great priest of a more elemental god.  And what about priests of War Gods like Thor?  Why shouldn't they be more like Defenders than Leaders?  Perhaps the Paladin might be a good fit for those types of characters but if not then maybe a new class is in order.But the first step is to stop insisting that all priests have to be clerics.  Once you get past that the world is your mollusk.</blockquote>

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