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<blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 1051781" data-attributes="member: 96">I'm not sure I agree.&nbsp; Many of the classes in UA are really just as archetypical as the ones in standard D&amp;D - and some are more archetypical than their closest D&amp;D counterparts.For instance, many years of playing D&amp;D has conditioned us to accept the heavily armored knight and the swashbuckler as to instances of the 'fighter' archetype - but really, they aren't the same, and probably shouldn't be the same.&nbsp; Monte realized that and split them into Unfettered and Warmain.&nbsp; The Magister as far as I'm concerned is just as archetypical as the D&amp;D wizard - in fact, with the staff and the aspect of power class features, they are arguably more archetypical.&nbsp; Like I told a friend, &quot;these guys outwizard the wizard.&quot;&nbsp; (Was anyone else thinking of Gandalf talking to Bilbo about the Ring when they read about the 'Display Power' ability? I'll bet a copper Monte was...)The Champion is mostly what I was thinking about when I said some are more archetypical than their D&amp;D counterparts, though - it encompasses the paladin, and other similar concepts without limiting itself by alignment.Classes like the akashic are more heavily tied to the implied setting, it's true - but not really any more than the D&amp;D paladin or ranger or other specialized classes.J</blockquote>

[QUOTE="drnuncheon, post: 1051781, member: 96"] I'm not sure I agree. Many of the classes in UA are really just as archetypical as the ones in standard D&D - and some are [i]more[/i] archetypical than their closest D&D counterparts. For instance, many years of playing D&D has conditioned us to accept the heavily armored knight and the swashbuckler as to instances of the 'fighter' archetype - but really, they aren't the same, and probably shouldn't be the same. Monte realized that and split them into Unfettered and Warmain. The Magister as far as I'm concerned is just as archetypical as the D&D wizard - in fact, with the staff and the aspect of power class features, they are arguably [i]more[/i] archetypical. Like I told a friend, "these guys outwizard the wizard." (Was anyone else thinking of Gandalf talking to Bilbo about the Ring when they read about the 'Display Power' ability? I'll bet a copper Monte was...) The Champion is mostly what I was thinking about when I said some are more archetypical than their D&D counterparts, though - it encompasses the paladin, and other similar concepts without limiting itself by alignment. Classes like the akashic are more heavily tied to the implied setting, it's true - but not really any more than the D&D paladin or ranger or other specialized classes. J [/QUOTE]

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