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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8254532" data-attributes="member: 18">Largely agree. When I was very young, like 10-12 (or probably younger if I'd had D&amp;D then), I'd have been very excited by a salamander-person or similar - indeed like a dude who was friends with animals would also have been v.exciting, but by my actual teens it'd have needed to be something a bit &quot;cooler&quot;. And then by my mid-20s I'd have been over that and totally down with playing a silly salamander-person again.So that's why I was saying the races look actual kid or actual adult, not teen-ish.Most of my long-time party would feel personally attacked by how extremely accurate this was I suspect. I think I'm the only one who still has more time than money (sadly, I'd rather have the opposite issue at this age). So yup.Has it though?In the UK and Israel it certainly isn't and wasn't in the late '80s or '90s either. In the US I've known upper-middle class and above people who play since the 1980s, and D&amp;D and the like seem to have been popular at &quot;elite&quot; universities and boarding schools and the like in the US since at least the late 1990s.It's true that the originators were mostly lower middle class and middle middle class though.Complicating the matter is that in the 1970s and 1980s in the US, working class people with steady jobs and certainly lower-middle class people had buying power equivalent to most upper-middle-class people now, because of factors like wage stagnation. There's also the issue that Americans habitually identify as the lowest social class they've ever had the remotest claim to being, no matter how implausible. Hence all the &quot;working class&quot; actors (this also happens in the UK, but people are much more class-conscious here so it's harder to get away with).So I suspect &quot;always has been&quot; is not true here. Started out as might arguably true, again with the caveat that a &quot;working class&quot; person with a steady job in the US in say, 1980 might have been living better than a middle-middle class Brit of the same period (in terms of lifestyle, what they could buy, how much they could save, and so on).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8254532, member: 18"] Largely agree. When I was very young, like 10-12 (or probably younger if I'd had D&D then), I'd have been very excited by a salamander-person or similar - indeed like a dude who was friends with animals would also have been v.exciting, but by my actual teens it'd have needed to be something a bit "cooler". And then by my mid-20s I'd have been over that and totally down with playing a silly salamander-person again. So that's why I was saying the races look actual kid or actual adult, not teen-ish. Most of my long-time party would feel personally attacked by how extremely accurate this was I suspect. I think I'm the only one who still has more time than money (sadly, I'd rather have the opposite issue at this age). So yup. Has it though? In the UK and Israel it certainly isn't and wasn't in the late '80s or '90s either. In the US I've known upper-middle class and above people who play since the 1980s, and D&D and the like seem to have been popular at "elite" universities and boarding schools and the like in the US since at least the late 1990s. It's true that the originators were mostly lower middle class and middle middle class though. Complicating the matter is that in the 1970s and 1980s in the US, working class people with steady jobs and certainly lower-middle class people had buying power equivalent to most upper-middle-class people now, because of factors like wage stagnation. There's also the issue that Americans habitually identify as the lowest social class they've ever had the remotest claim to being, no matter how implausible. Hence all the "working class" actors (this also happens in the UK, but people are much more class-conscious here so it's harder to get away with). So I suspect "always has been" is not true here. Started out as might arguably true, again with the caveat that a "working class" person with a steady job in the US in say, 1980 might have been living better than a middle-middle class Brit of the same period (in terms of lifestyle, what they could buy, how much they could save, and so on). [/QUOTE]

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