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Auto-Quicken Spell + Multispell + Time Stop + Wish = Cheese (Time Stop+Wish Argument)
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<blockquote data-quote="Apok" data-source="post: 925715" data-attributes="member: 1969"><p></p><p></p><p>From the SRD; "While the time stop is in effect, other creatures are invulnerable to the character's attacks and spells; however, the character can create spell effects and leave them to take effect when the time stop spell ends. (The spells’ durations do not begin until the time stop is over.)"</p><p></p><p>You aren't extending anything's duration, it simply doesn't take effect until after the Time Stop ends. I see nothing in here that would invalidate spells of Instantaneous duration from being cast within a Time Stop and then taking effect. "Create spell effects." A fireball and a lightning bolt are spell effects, last time I checked, and a spell effect brought into effect while a Time Stop is running remains in "stasis," if you will, until the Time Stop runs out and then takes effect. I'm sorry, but I just don't see where you are getting the exclusion of Instant spells from this. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Your opinion, not fact. If what you say is true, then the designers would have likely placed a clear exception in the description of the spell itself. When 3.5e comes out, I have a feeling the designer's true intent regarding the use of Instant spells and Time Stop will be known. That aside, you are making an assumption based upon your own bias, which doesn't make you the Absolute Authority. I respect your opinion on this matter, but I must disagree. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The fact that it allows a Wizard to deplete his spell resource for the day faster? I see this as a good thing! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Whenever a player chooses to dump-off a bunch of spells in a Time Stop, I have to stop from grinning because of the sheer waste of his resources. Epic spells, btw, can do anything the DM will allow them to do, so I'd say they can do what Time Stop can do and a whole lot more. This is hardly Deific power levels, either. Have you seen some of the abilities that God's can get in the Deities & Demigods book? Being able to sling around a bunch of damaging spells through a Time Stop is nothing to a God who can alter the reality around him to suit his whims at will. </p><p></p><p>Just as an aside, flinging out large numbers of spells in a round is quite feasable even without Time Stop. Consider a wizard with all three Auto-Quicken Spell feats and a few Multispell feats. Even without Time Stop, you can discharge 3-4 spells each round as a free action. </p><p></p><p>I understand your arguments, really, but they are your opinion and not the absolute intent of the designers. If it was that cut & dry, we probably wouldn't be having this disucssion but I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this particular issue, good sir. BTW, I like the solution to the Wish problem, I may just use that when one of my players decides to get really weasely with the wording of a Wish spell. Con damage, yummy....</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Apok, post: 925715, member: 1969"] [B][/b] From the SRD; "While the time stop is in effect, other creatures are invulnerable to the character's attacks and spells; however, the character can create spell effects and leave them to take effect when the time stop spell ends. (The spells’ durations do not begin until the time stop is over.)" You aren't extending anything's duration, it simply doesn't take effect until after the Time Stop ends. I see nothing in here that would invalidate spells of Instantaneous duration from being cast within a Time Stop and then taking effect. "Create spell effects." A fireball and a lightning bolt are spell effects, last time I checked, and a spell effect brought into effect while a Time Stop is running remains in "stasis," if you will, until the Time Stop runs out and then takes effect. I'm sorry, but I just don't see where you are getting the exclusion of Instant spells from this. Your opinion, not fact. If what you say is true, then the designers would have likely placed a clear exception in the description of the spell itself. When 3.5e comes out, I have a feeling the designer's true intent regarding the use of Instant spells and Time Stop will be known. That aside, you are making an assumption based upon your own bias, which doesn't make you the Absolute Authority. I respect your opinion on this matter, but I must disagree. The fact that it allows a Wizard to deplete his spell resource for the day faster? I see this as a good thing! :D Whenever a player chooses to dump-off a bunch of spells in a Time Stop, I have to stop from grinning because of the sheer waste of his resources. Epic spells, btw, can do anything the DM will allow them to do, so I'd say they can do what Time Stop can do and a whole lot more. This is hardly Deific power levels, either. Have you seen some of the abilities that God's can get in the Deities & Demigods book? Being able to sling around a bunch of damaging spells through a Time Stop is nothing to a God who can alter the reality around him to suit his whims at will. Just as an aside, flinging out large numbers of spells in a round is quite feasable even without Time Stop. Consider a wizard with all three Auto-Quicken Spell feats and a few Multispell feats. Even without Time Stop, you can discharge 3-4 spells each round as a free action. I understand your arguments, really, but they are your opinion and not the absolute intent of the designers. If it was that cut & dry, we probably wouldn't be having this disucssion but I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this particular issue, good sir. BTW, I like the solution to the Wish problem, I may just use that when one of my players decides to get really weasely with the wording of a Wish spell. Con damage, yummy.... [/QUOTE]
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