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Auto-Quicken Spell + Multispell + Time Stop + Wish = Cheese (Time Stop+Wish Argument)
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<blockquote data-quote="Cloudgatherer" data-source="post: 925903" data-attributes="member: 66"><p>I already stated this, but having Caliban re-iteratei it is important.</p><p></p><p>Honestly, I really don't understand the whole "instantaneous spell go off and do no damage" argument and I never have.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why would a Fly spell's duration not start during a TS, while a fireball would go off? This stings of inconsistency, and while some scream "overpowered!" in regards to that interpretation, that is still the correct interpretation.</p><p></p><p>And in response to the original topic of this thread.... Have you ever played in an Epic game and *tried* to do as you suggest?</p><p></p><p>I have 2 examples (yes, from my own experience). First, I was playing an Epic wizard of 26th level in a one shot adventure. I had to kill a nasty something or other (Abyssal I think). So I prepped my spells thinking I'd use the TS combo, dumping all my spells on the creature, bolting if I got into trouble. Well, let's just say it didn't work out too well. Despite having Quicken, Multispell, and two TS spells, the thing survived my onslaught and we had a knock down, drag out fight. I only managed to beat the creature through an Imprisonment scroll, luckily defeating its SR.</p><p></p><p>My second example is from an ongoing game I'm in. I play an Epic Sorcerer (~35th) who specializes in Metamagic. For an ongoing game I took a more modest approach: no TS. I didn't want someone to do to me what I could "theoretically" do to them. However, I did take Auto-Quicken x3 and Multispell x2, so I toss 4 spells a round.</p><p></p><p>Now you'd think my character was pretty powerful in terms of combat potential, right? You'd be mistaken. At epic levels, everyone has insane save bonuses. Since I didn't take the Spell Power classes (archmage, red wizard), my DCs aren't anything special, so all my spells are saved against.</p><p></p><p>While the TS/Auto/Multispell looks powerful, at Epic levels your spells will just about always fail.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cloudgatherer, post: 925903, member: 66"] I already stated this, but having Caliban re-iteratei it is important. Honestly, I really don't understand the whole "instantaneous spell go off and do no damage" argument and I never have. Why would a Fly spell's duration not start during a TS, while a fireball would go off? This stings of inconsistency, and while some scream "overpowered!" in regards to that interpretation, that is still the correct interpretation. And in response to the original topic of this thread.... Have you ever played in an Epic game and *tried* to do as you suggest? I have 2 examples (yes, from my own experience). First, I was playing an Epic wizard of 26th level in a one shot adventure. I had to kill a nasty something or other (Abyssal I think). So I prepped my spells thinking I'd use the TS combo, dumping all my spells on the creature, bolting if I got into trouble. Well, let's just say it didn't work out too well. Despite having Quicken, Multispell, and two TS spells, the thing survived my onslaught and we had a knock down, drag out fight. I only managed to beat the creature through an Imprisonment scroll, luckily defeating its SR. My second example is from an ongoing game I'm in. I play an Epic Sorcerer (~35th) who specializes in Metamagic. For an ongoing game I took a more modest approach: no TS. I didn't want someone to do to me what I could "theoretically" do to them. However, I did take Auto-Quicken x3 and Multispell x2, so I toss 4 spells a round. Now you'd think my character was pretty powerful in terms of combat potential, right? You'd be mistaken. At epic levels, everyone has insane save bonuses. Since I didn't take the Spell Power classes (archmage, red wizard), my DCs aren't anything special, so all my spells are saved against. While the TS/Auto/Multispell looks powerful, at Epic levels your spells will just about always fail. [/QUOTE]
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