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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8740698" data-attributes="member: 23751">The rule isn't that a 20 always succeeds.&nbsp; The rule is that &quot;If you roll a 20 on the d20, the d20 test automatically succeeds...&quot;&nbsp; it also says the following, &quot;Rolling a 20 doesn’t bypass limitations on the test, such as range and line of sight.&quot;&nbsp; Not getting a roll due to impossibility is a limitation on the test, and the 20 won't bypass that.Another thing is that the new rule is...&quot;The DM determines whether a d20 Test is warranted in any given circumstance. To be warranted, a d20 Test must have a target number no less than 5 and no greater than 30.&quot;The bolded right there says that the d20 roll isn't automatic, even with the &quot;20 always succeeds rule.&quot;&nbsp; The other part of that is that for the test to be warranted, the DC has to be 5 to 30.&nbsp; Why? Because anything less is automatically a yes and anything more is automatic failure.&nbsp; So we have two different ways for the DM to deny a player a roll.&nbsp; First, the DM determines if a test is warranted.&nbsp; That includes gating the roll behind proficiency or any other limitation the DM wants. Second, if the DC is so high or so low as to be automatically successful or impossible, no roll is given.&nbsp; There is no &quot;A roll of 20 can succeed at anything attempted&quot; as some are arguing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8740698, member: 23751"] The rule isn't that a 20 always succeeds. The rule is that "If you roll a 20 on the d20, the d20 test automatically succeeds..." it also says the following, "Rolling a 20 doesn’t bypass limitations on the test, such as range and line of sight." Not getting a roll due to impossibility is a limitation on the test, and the 20 won't bypass that. Another thing is that the new rule is... "[B]The DM determines whether a d20 Test is warranted in any given circumstance.[/B] To be warranted, a d20 Test must have a target number no less than 5 and no greater than 30." The bolded right there says that the d20 roll isn't automatic, even with the "20 always succeeds rule." The other part of that is that for the test to be warranted, the DC has to be 5 to 30. Why? Because anything less is automatically a yes and anything more is automatic failure. So we have two different ways for the DM to deny a player a roll. First, the DM determines if a test is warranted. That includes gating the roll behind proficiency or any other limitation the DM wants. Second, if the DC is so high or so low as to be automatically successful or impossible, no roll is given. There is no "A roll of 20 can succeed at anything attempted" as some are arguing. [/QUOTE]

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