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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8741644" data-attributes="member: 23751">Okay.&nbsp; Now for my actual response to this post.I haven't seen the bolded part at all in this thread. I have seen a few people say that they will for their game make that ruling, and that IS supported by RAW.&nbsp; The same RAW that I use for gating rolls behind proficiency, also allows for DMs to gate rolls behind bonuses.&nbsp; The new rule about autosuccess on a 20 only applies if an appropriate roll is called for.&nbsp; If the DM is answering the two questions I posted earlier today using the criteria of bonuses and possible success via those bonuses, then it would be inappropriate to allow the PC with +2 to roll for a DC 25 check.[USER=7023887]@AcererakTriple6[/USER] has only said that he would rule that way, not that RAW requires it and the DM should never call for such rolls.&nbsp; While it's not my position to gate all rolls behind bonuses like that, I'm also not going allow a roll for anything I set a DC for and a character is proficient in.What I am probably going to do is set a number between 3 and 5(I haven't decided&nbsp; yet).&nbsp; That will be the luck factor where an auto 20 could succeed.&nbsp; If I choose 5 and a PC is 1-5 short of being able to make the roll with his bonuses, he will still get a roll to get lucky with a 20.&nbsp; If I pick 3, that PC would need to be within 3 of possibly making the target DC.There's no way in hell a commoner or even a PC with a 0 bonus is getting a roll to make a DC 30 on a natural 20.&nbsp; It's not happening.The new rule isn't superfluous, but it is subordinate to the DMG rules.&nbsp; It only kicks in on rolls that the DM has deemed appropriate using whatever criteria the DM has chosen.Sure, but only on those rolls the DM deems appropriate.There is very little guidance, and I think that's intentional.&nbsp; This edition was designed to be rulings over rules and the more guidance provided, the more tightly constrained DMs will feel.&nbsp; They leave it wide open for the DM to determine what criteria will be used to deem a roll automatically successful, automatically unsuccessful, or require a roll.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8741644, member: 23751"] Okay. Now for my actual response to this post. I haven't seen the bolded part at all in this thread. I have seen a few people say that they will for their game make that ruling, and that IS supported by RAW. The same RAW that I use for gating rolls behind proficiency, also allows for DMs to gate rolls behind bonuses. The new rule about autosuccess on a 20 only applies if an appropriate roll is called for. If the DM is answering the two questions I posted earlier today using the criteria of bonuses and possible success via those bonuses, then it would be inappropriate to allow the PC with +2 to roll for a DC 25 check. [USER=7023887]@AcererakTriple6[/USER] has only said that he would rule that way, not that RAW requires it and the DM should never call for such rolls. While it's not my position to gate all rolls behind bonuses like that, I'm also not going allow a roll for anything I set a DC for and a character is proficient in. What I am probably going to do is set a number between 3 and 5(I haven't decided yet). That will be the luck factor where an auto 20 could succeed. If I choose 5 and a PC is 1-5 short of being able to make the roll with his bonuses, he will still get a roll to get lucky with a 20. If I pick 3, that PC would need to be within 3 of possibly making the target DC. There's no way in hell a commoner or even a PC with a 0 bonus is getting a roll to make a DC 30 on a natural 20. It's not happening. The new rule isn't superfluous, but it is subordinate to the DMG rules. It only kicks in on rolls that the DM has deemed appropriate using whatever criteria the DM has chosen. Sure, but only on those rolls the DM deems appropriate. There is very little guidance, and I think that's intentional. This edition was designed to be rulings over rules and the more guidance provided, the more tightly constrained DMs will feel. They leave it wide open for the DM to determine what criteria will be used to deem a roll automatically successful, automatically unsuccessful, or require a roll. [/QUOTE]

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