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<blockquote data-quote="Reynard" data-source="post: 8748918" data-attributes="member: 467">I want to collect my thoughts on this, so forgive me if I am repeating myself at all.When do you call for a roll? When there is some uncertainty in the outcome OR you want to use the dice to inform you of something.In the first case, the it seems on the surface that the auto fail on a 1 and auto success on a 20 is appropriate. After all, there was uncertainty. The trouble with this approach is that different PCs have can different levels of uncertainty for different tasks -- based either on their mechanical bonuses or based on their role-playing background or whatever. This puts the DM in the position of having some players roll and not others, and is muddied further when using group checks for example. Because of these variables, I think it is easier not to use the auto fail/success rules. You can just tell everyone to roll Athletics and see who hits the DC, even if some &quot;can't&quot; (they can always use guidance or whatever). One potential addition is to say that if a PC gets advantage on the roll, they CAN succeed on a 20 even if they don't meet the DC.In the other case, using rolls as informative tools or with sliding difficulties is easy: these rolls aren't really about success anyway, so there's no reason to &quot;crit&quot; unless you think that a &quot;crit&quot; is more informative.So, in the end, I don't think I will be using these rules.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Reynard, post: 8748918, member: 467"] I want to collect my thoughts on this, so forgive me if I am repeating myself at all. When do you call for a roll? When there is some uncertainty in the outcome OR you want to use the dice to inform you of something. In the first case, the it seems on the surface that the auto fail on a 1 and auto success on a 20 is appropriate. After all, there was uncertainty. The trouble with this approach is that different PCs have can different levels of uncertainty for different tasks -- based either on their mechanical bonuses or based on their role-playing background or whatever. This puts the DM in the position of having some players roll and not others, and is muddied further when using group checks for example. Because of these variables, I think it is easier not to use the auto fail/success rules. You can just tell everyone to roll Athletics and see who hits the DC, even if some "can't" (they can always use guidance or whatever). One potential addition is to say that if a PC gets advantage on the roll, they CAN succeed on a 20 even if they don't meet the DC. In the other case, using rolls as informative tools or with sliding difficulties is easy: these rolls aren't really about success anyway, so there's no reason to "crit" unless you think that a "crit" is more informative. So, in the end, I don't think I will be using these rules. [/QUOTE]

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