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<blockquote data-quote="Bill Zebub" data-source="post: 8749631" data-attributes="member: 7031982">Not at my table.&nbsp; I mean, somebody might say something to see if I or one of the other DMs made a mistake, but if the answer is, &quot;Nope, that's what happens&quot; everybody would shrug and keep playing, wondering what mysterious thing is going on.Why do you think it's a legitimate argument?&nbsp; I can only think of two reasons it would generate an argument:1) Somebody misunderstands how the game works and thinks they have a right to roll.2) Somebody doesn't trust the GM to be running a fair game.There are legitimate reasons why one player gets to roll and the other automatically fails, and if you argue with the DM you are basically saying, &quot;I don't believe there's a legitimate reason...prove it to me.&quot;&nbsp; Um....no. Go find a DM you trust.Yeah, I'd probably do that in the case described.&nbsp; But maybe one of those other in-game situations I described applies, and it really is different for the two characters?&nbsp; Who knows?&nbsp; Certainly not the players.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bill Zebub, post: 8749631, member: 7031982"] Not at my table. I mean, somebody might say something to see if I or one of the other DMs made a mistake, but if the answer is, "Nope, that's what happens" everybody would shrug and keep playing, wondering what mysterious thing is going on. Why do you think it's a legitimate argument? I can only think of two reasons it would generate an argument: 1) Somebody misunderstands how the game works and thinks they have a right to roll. 2) Somebody doesn't trust the GM to be running a fair game. There [I]are[/I] legitimate reasons why one player gets to roll and the other automatically fails, and if you argue with the DM you are basically saying, "I don't believe there's a legitimate reason...prove it to me." Um....no. Go find a DM you trust. Yeah, I'd [I]probably[/I] do that in the case described. But maybe one of those other in-game situations I described applies, and it really is different for the two characters? Who knows? Certainly not the players. [/QUOTE]

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