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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 8750725" data-attributes="member: 29398">In the eyes of the players, certainly; even more so if it's stated in the PH.Whether the new DMG will agree, disagree, or waffle on this point remains unclear; and all the discussion and argument so far is - and can only be - based on what the current DMG has to say...or not say.But it could easily lead to a big yet subtle change in dynamic.&nbsp; Before, the default was no roll until-unless the DM granted permission&nbsp; With this, and with players knowing they always (or at least very much more often) have a chance to succeed, it could change to the default being to roll unless the DM denies it.&nbsp; This puts the DM in a much worse positon, as granting is always easier than denying.Not supported by the rules, sure; but I suspect in most cases the DM would be trying to say (or very strongly imply) the denial of roll is supported by the fiction.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 8750725, member: 29398"] In the eyes of the players, certainly; even more so if it's stated in the PH. Whether the new DMG will agree, disagree, or waffle on this point remains unclear; and all the discussion and argument so far is - and can only be - based on what the current DMG has to say...or not say. But it could easily lead to a big yet subtle change in dynamic. Before, the default was no roll until-unless the DM granted permission With this, and with players knowing they always (or at least very much more often) have a chance to succeed, it could change to the default being to roll unless the DM denies it. This puts the DM in a much worse positon, as granting is always easier than denying. Not supported by the rules, sure; but I suspect in most cases the DM would be trying to say (or very strongly imply) the denial of roll is supported by the fiction. [/QUOTE]

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