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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kreynolds" data-source="post: 583440" data-attributes="member: 2829">It already does include the Reflex save modification. It was merely an alternative to the extended damage in the first option.Exactly. As I already stated, it seems to me the only reason that extended damage on autofire against big targets isn't already in the D20 Modern rules is precisely because of big monsters, meaning you would rip most of them to shreds in short order. To me, ripping them to shreds is completely appropriate.Basically, I keep two things in mind...1) It doesn't make any sense that using autofire 10 feet away from a car allows you to hit it with only 1 bullet. Such a thing can't be logically explained in any way, shape, or form.2) As far as I'm concerned, a Behir (page 24, MM) truly should get absolutely ripped to shreads by an M16, AK74, or M60.The fact that a Behir simply isn't capable of sucking up that kind of damage is not a flaw within the rules of D20 Modern, and it isn't a flaw with the rules of the MM. It is merely representative of the fact that a Behir is going to have a really bad frickin' day in a modern world. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />From my perspective, this isn't a problem at all. It simply means that a modern world is fully equipped to handle a Behir, as it should be. Heck, a modern world should be able to handle damn near any monster. Snag an F16 and a few sidewinders, and suddenly you are more properly equipped than ever to deal with even the biggest dragons. Besides, what's a dragon gonna do? Catch you? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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