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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 5970814" data-attributes="member: 9037">I disagree with this find traps and knock for example they are spells with are limited and if you fail at it and it was your only one you are pretty much hosed. It does not make a rogue obsolete at all he can open locks and find traps until the cows come home have a dance and go back out again. This is such an old argument and people who make it seem to forget the balance is spells are limited and skills are not. And very few wizards and clerics are going to take a whole bunch of find traps and knock and if he does well then he is going to be doing very little for the rest of the encounters.Both of those spells are in the game not to step all over another character but to help a party that does not have that class in their party.</blockquote>