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<blockquote data-quote="malcolm_n" data-source="post: 6085170" data-attributes="member: 63154">I like the race. I would like to break it down using the <a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedRaceGuide/raceBuilder.html" target="_blank">P</a><a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedRaceGuide/raceBuilder.html" target="_blank">F racebuilder</a>, so that you can see how it stands up to other core races (assuming they all remain options to play).So, compared to PF Dwarves, these lose: Darkvision (2rp), Defensive Training (1rp), Greed (1rp), Hatred (1rp), Stonecunning (1rp), and Weapon Familiarity (2rp). Total -8rpThey gain: Dense Body (2rp), Flexible Ability Scores (2rp). Racial total now = 7rp; 3-4rp less than any other race.If you're looking to have the race be comparable to its kin, I have the following suggestions that may help bring it in line. I'm not assuming you'll use all, but rather choose from them what you feel is best:Defense Traits: Bond to the Land - Water (2rp), Mountain-Born (1rp), rename it Ocean-born and change altitude fatigue to something more ocean-appropriate.Feats and Skills: Water Child (4rp)Movement Traits: Terrain Stride - water (1rp)Senses Traits: Low-light vision (1rp), Water Sense (1rp) actually this is usually prereq outsider, but it could be a fun defining trait of the race that speaks to their origins. Maybe increase the value to 2 or 3 rp in exchange for dropping hte prereq.Other Traits: Hold Breath (1rp)Hope that helps <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; Looking forward to seeing more of these.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="malcolm_n, post: 6085170, member: 63154"] I like the race. I would like to break it down using the [URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedRaceGuide/raceBuilder.html"]P[/URL][URL="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedRaceGuide/raceBuilder.html"]F racebuilder[/URL], so that you can see how it stands up to other core races (assuming they all remain options to play). So, compared to PF Dwarves, these lose: Darkvision (2rp), Defensive Training (1rp), Greed (1rp), Hatred (1rp), Stonecunning (1rp), and Weapon Familiarity (2rp). Total -8rp They gain: Dense Body (2rp), Flexible Ability Scores (2rp). Racial total now = 7rp; 3-4rp less than any other race. If you're looking to have the race be comparable to its kin, I have the following suggestions that may help bring it in line. I'm not assuming you'll use all, but rather choose from them what you feel is best: [B]Defense Traits: [/B]Bond to the Land - Water (2rp), Mountain-Born (1rp), rename it Ocean-born and change altitude fatigue to something more ocean-appropriate. [B]Feats and Skills: [/B]Water Child (4rp) [B]Movement Traits: [/B]Terrain Stride - water (1rp) [B]Senses Traits: [/B]Low-light vision (1rp), Water Sense (1rp) actually this is usually prereq outsider, but it could be a fun defining trait of the race that speaks to their origins. Maybe increase the value to 2 or 3 rp in exchange for dropping hte prereq. [B]Other Traits:[/B] Hold Breath (1rp) Hope that helps :) Looking forward to seeing more of these. [/QUOTE]

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