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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Moon-Lancer" data-source="post: 4643461" data-attributes="member: 35798">How about this? both mp and av add options that are clearly better then their phb counterparts. Thus the monsters become weaker in the process. Without stronger monsters the game becomes easier and in effect less fun (see game where monsters take no actions). With stronger monsters, the game becomes a war of proliferation and will eventually collapse on itself.That's whats implied and embedded when a dm wants to play with only core.I liked 3.5 supplements when the game was more subjective. But I am seeing options now that clearly are superior to the phb versions in all ways. Like fighter and weapon talent vs tempest technique seeing how tempest grants a +1 bonus on attack as well as all the other options. (edit) oops probably should have made another thread.</blockquote>