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Message: <blockquote data-quote="veritas681" data-source="post: 5364996" data-attributes="member: 97696">Tonight, a friend and I discussed a hypothetical scenario in which Avascular Mass and Mirror Image are used. The summarized point-counterpoint went as follows:  We are in a 20x20 room, and we are about to engage in combat. I cast Mirror Image. He casts Avascular Mass at "me." I postulate that pending successful RNG results, his ray goes through an Image, dispels it, and then fizzles.  He contests that the web effect should still take place, because the text of the spell implies that the only reason the spell would fizzle is if it was being used on an ooze or plant. To that end, he suggests that his ray goes through my Image, strikes the wall behind it, and procs the web effect. If that is insufficient, he will simply avoid targetting "me" altogether and target a wall with the goal in mind of spawning the web effect and skipping the stun and health-halving effects of the spell altogether so he can use it to proc the area-effect and dispel all my Images at once. His bottom line is that the web effect is not dependent on the ray successfully hitting a living target first, and the only two things that cannot be affected by the spell are oozes and plants.  My response to that is that use of the word, "avascular," in the name of the spell, the role-play description of the spell, and sepcific wording in the final paragraph of the spell description suggest to me that the inital target of the ray must have a blood circulation system and be successfully struck with that ray in order for the web effect of the spell to be successfully generated. I further stipulate that oozes and plants were mentioned in the spell's description as immune to its effects because one could otherwise reasonably argue that an ooze would make a suitable webbing material and that plants have a circulation system that could be equally viable, and the writers wanted to make it clear that a target with blood was required. My bottom line is that the web effect is entirely dependent on whether the ray component of the spell successfully strikes a target with a blood circulatory system.  For those of you who tl:dr text walls, here are our bottom line questions about the spell, Avascular Mass:1) In order for the web effect of the spell to work, does the ray component need to successfully strike a target with a blood circulation system?2) If so, what does that mean for Undead targets? How will this affect "mostly in-tact," corporeal Undead who aren't Skeletons?3) Further still, would successfully striking a Mirror Image with the ray be considered a viable means of generating the web effect?4) How are we to understand the spell author's intent in his mention of oozes and plants as exceptions to the spell's effects?  Thank you in advance for your replies. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh    :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" /></blockquote>

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