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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Windjammer" data-source="post: 5654851" data-attributes="member: 60075">The Avenger loses in damage output what it makes up in accuracy. Yes, OoE is very helpful to reliably hit foes, but then look at the damage output of Avenger powers with those of the Barbarian, and you can see two different design principles in place. Not denying that Avengers can't get decent damage, but it's considerably harder to achieve and requires considerable more tactical finesse than other classes. Even that is not necessarily a negative, as some players like the added tactical challenge. Equally, added accuracy is a mixed blessing for the party. So here's a class which needs less attention from the party leader (to-hit boosts), can hence make the most of its mobility (no need to stay very close to the leader) and take the fight anywhere on the battlefield. But again that's a trade off. If you got a good leader in the party and there's no reason for the PCs to spread out - e.g. in every encounter which takes place on small to medium battlefields - then the avenger's assets are offset easily, and a barbarian would work better. Especially if we're talking about barbarian who optimise (among other things) on temporary hit points, and we got again a character who functions quite independently from leaders.Ultimately, however, we are certainly talking about a class with one of the best flavours in 4E (as far as I'm concerned). And that's what makes playing one so enjoyable.</blockquote>

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