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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6608792" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>Not sarcasm, attempted humor. Apparently, not a very successful one, is all <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>First off, I think here you mean Iron Man 2 (the movie which actually first uses the trope). It is followed by the Avengers. Then, in Iron Man 3, they *reverse* the trope, as the faceless aerial bombardment is coming from the hero in the form of Iron Man suits. </p><p></p><p>Anyhow, rhetorical questions, followed by overall conclusion:</p><p></p><p>Do you deny that an action film should be expected to have a major action sequence at or near the end?</p><p></p><p>So, now, you are doing an adaptation. In general, in all the aforementioned pieces, major characters have the ability to fly, or have spaceships. You have a choice - try to artificially constrain the scene so that flight is not an option, or use flight and the vertical dimension. As an author, which do you do? </p><p></p><p>You have two hours, and an ensemble cast. You need to spend a bit of time on each hero. How many villains can you develop, such that they are not essentially "faceless"?</p><p></p><p>It seems to me the formula is falling directly out of the constraints of the initial setup - if you are doing an Avengers movie, where half the characters have aerial travel as a major power, you are going to go up, or the viewers are going to look at you funny, or gripe about your arbitrary reason for keeping them grounded, or gripe about how stupid they were for not just flying. And, in order to keep characters with these power sets occupied, you need a whole lot of bad guys. You might as well embrace it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As if the comics weren't formulaic to begin with? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Let us look for a moment at the movies. </p><p></p><p>The trope appears in: Iron Man 2, The Avengers, Captain America 2, Guardians of the Galaxy, Avengers 2</p><p>The Trope does not appear in: Iron Man, Iron Man 3, Captain America, Thor, Thor 2 (debatable, but I don't think it really meets the criteria), The Incredible Hulk (if you call that part of the MCU)</p><p></p><p>So, how much more shaking up do you want? I'm pretty sure they aren't using the trope much in Agents of Shield or Daredevil and Friends...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 6608792, member: 177"] Not sarcasm, attempted humor. Apparently, not a very successful one, is all :) First off, I think here you mean Iron Man 2 (the movie which actually first uses the trope). It is followed by the Avengers. Then, in Iron Man 3, they *reverse* the trope, as the faceless aerial bombardment is coming from the hero in the form of Iron Man suits. Anyhow, rhetorical questions, followed by overall conclusion: Do you deny that an action film should be expected to have a major action sequence at or near the end? So, now, you are doing an adaptation. In general, in all the aforementioned pieces, major characters have the ability to fly, or have spaceships. You have a choice - try to artificially constrain the scene so that flight is not an option, or use flight and the vertical dimension. As an author, which do you do? You have two hours, and an ensemble cast. You need to spend a bit of time on each hero. How many villains can you develop, such that they are not essentially "faceless"? It seems to me the formula is falling directly out of the constraints of the initial setup - if you are doing an Avengers movie, where half the characters have aerial travel as a major power, you are going to go up, or the viewers are going to look at you funny, or gripe about your arbitrary reason for keeping them grounded, or gripe about how stupid they were for not just flying. And, in order to keep characters with these power sets occupied, you need a whole lot of bad guys. You might as well embrace it. As if the comics weren't formulaic to begin with? :) Let us look for a moment at the movies. The trope appears in: Iron Man 2, The Avengers, Captain America 2, Guardians of the Galaxy, Avengers 2 The Trope does not appear in: Iron Man, Iron Man 3, Captain America, Thor, Thor 2 (debatable, but I don't think it really meets the criteria), The Incredible Hulk (if you call that part of the MCU) So, how much more shaking up do you want? I'm pretty sure they aren't using the trope much in Agents of Shield or Daredevil and Friends... [/QUOTE]
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