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<blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 7601392" data-attributes="member: 37579"><p>My problem with the presentation of Thor is actually largely divorced from his character arc. </p><p>To make my point, let's change one small detail: he's not fat, he's completely drunk. </p><p></p><p>Rocket and Hulk show up and Thor staggers out, slurring and barely able to stand. At the meeting, he's hungover and barely able to think. When he goes back in time, he pulls out a flask and downs it, then passes out. Rocket badly hides his body, and it is discovered by his mother who gives him a pep talk. </p><p>What changes about his arc in the movie? Nothing. He has the exact same character development from a loss of confidence to, well, abandoning his throne. Is he still the comic relief? Sure, we're just laughing at him for being an alcoholic. </p><p></p><p>The difference is, we're not making it about his body. All the jokes aren't about him being fat. Instead of "Cheese whiz" running through his veins it's "malt liquor". You're not making him into Chris Farley, where he's a bumbling, clumsy fat guy. </p><p><em>And</em> you're not equating video game playing with obesity, invoking the tired cliche of gamers as overweight nerds who flee from women. </p><p></p><p>The difference is… it feels kinda bad to laugh at someone for being an alcoholic due to depression. That feels like much more of a tragic arc than someone who is just fat.</p><p>Even though <em><strong>in both instances you're treating a serious mental illness as a joke</strong></em>.</p><p>Swapping a bumbling and overeating for drunkenness is a lateral move, but it's still making a character crippled by depression into the movie's comic relief. </p><p></p><p>And it's not like the movie was super serious the rest of the time. You had Hulk dabbing. Scott losing his taco. America's Ass. Hulk double tapping… with a car. Rocket being Rocket. Paper football. Scott becoming a baby. </p><p>You didn't need Chris Hemsworth in a fat suit doing a Melissa McCarthy impression. </p><p></p><p></p><p>But capping that with a lame character arc just adds insult to injury. </p><p></p><p></p><p>It should have ended with Thor deciding it was time to actually be king, and not just fake it for 30 seconds. He should have been given the opportunity to grow up rather than continue to be a giant man-child that's unable to handle any responsibility.</p><p>He shouldn't have dumped leadership on Valkyrie, so he can continue shirking his responsibility and doing "nothing". He's just trading Korg and Miek for Star-Lord and Drax.</p><p></p><p>It should have ended with Thor giving up the warrior life for his people.His final scene with him should be him whispering Odin's restrictions into Stormbreaker <em>“Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor.”</em> and tossing it into the distance where it will lie until found by a new Thor.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jester David, post: 7601392, member: 37579"] My problem with the presentation of Thor is actually largely divorced from his character arc. To make my point, let's change one small detail: he's not fat, he's completely drunk. Rocket and Hulk show up and Thor staggers out, slurring and barely able to stand. At the meeting, he's hungover and barely able to think. When he goes back in time, he pulls out a flask and downs it, then passes out. Rocket badly hides his body, and it is discovered by his mother who gives him a pep talk. What changes about his arc in the movie? Nothing. He has the exact same character development from a loss of confidence to, well, abandoning his throne. Is he still the comic relief? Sure, we're just laughing at him for being an alcoholic. The difference is, we're not making it about his body. All the jokes aren't about him being fat. Instead of "Cheese whiz" running through his veins it's "malt liquor". You're not making him into Chris Farley, where he's a bumbling, clumsy fat guy. [i]And[/i] you're not equating video game playing with obesity, invoking the tired cliche of gamers as overweight nerds who flee from women. The difference is… it feels kinda bad to laugh at someone for being an alcoholic due to depression. That feels like much more of a tragic arc than someone who is just fat. Even though [i][b]in both instances you're treating a serious mental illness as a joke[/b][/i][b][/b]. Swapping a bumbling and overeating for drunkenness is a lateral move, but it's still making a character crippled by depression into the movie's comic relief. And it's not like the movie was super serious the rest of the time. You had Hulk dabbing. Scott losing his taco. America's Ass. Hulk double tapping… with a car. Rocket being Rocket. Paper football. Scott becoming a baby. You didn't need Chris Hemsworth in a fat suit doing a Melissa McCarthy impression. But capping that with a lame character arc just adds insult to injury. It should have ended with Thor deciding it was time to actually be king, and not just fake it for 30 seconds. He should have been given the opportunity to grow up rather than continue to be a giant man-child that's unable to handle any responsibility. He shouldn't have dumped leadership on Valkyrie, so he can continue shirking his responsibility and doing "nothing". He's just trading Korg and Miek for Star-Lord and Drax. It should have ended with Thor giving up the warrior life for his people.His final scene with him should be him whispering Odin's restrictions into Stormbreaker [i]“Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor.”[/i] and tossing it into the distance where it will lie until found by a new Thor. [/QUOTE]
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