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<blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 7407276" data-attributes="member: 37579"><p>As I said in another thread, I was saddened we don't get to see Starlord reach Earth. Or get a moment where Tony and Steve have to interact and deal with what went down in <em>Civil War</em>. </p><p></p><p>Having read the comic I saw the ending coming. But still surprised they had the balls to go that route, even if the deaths will be undone. After all, we <em>know </em>Spider-Man, Black Panther, and Doctor Strange are going to get sequels. There's little tension there.</p><p></p><p></p><p>He's smart, but he's not a genius. He's not the Lex Luthor smart villain. But a big, strong villain that isn't stupid and is surprisingly cunning. Devious enough to set a trap for the Guardians. </p><p></p><p>His motivation rather works. The purges in the population following the Black Death in the 14th Century reshaped Europe and ended serfdom. And the reduction of the workforce following WWII was also instrumental in advancing women's rights and civil rights. Massive cuts to population can have a positive effect on societies, especially when the infrastructure remains.</p><p></p><p>Think about what happens if, overnight, 150 million Americans just turn to dust. </p><p>Suddenly, there's job openings across the board. With fewer people for every occupation, everyone has their pick of employment and has an instant choice. They can ask for a higher salary and get it, because the demand is there. Meanwhile, because there's a desperate need for workers, there's increased incentive to release non-violent offenders and offer treatment to the mentally and physically ill to get them back in the job market. Discriminatory job practices drop because it's deeply unprofitable and you can't afford to be that picky in hiring. </p><p>Meanwhile, there's a massive turn around in politics. The bureaucracy is upended and there's not enough time to bother with the rules and regulations of a proper election. Anyone can get elected. This shakes the two party system.</p><p></p><p>And that's just one country. Half the world's dictators are gone. Half the people in charge of oppressing nations. Half the warlords. Half the drug barons. </p><p></p><p>His plan is insane. He is the Mad Titan. But it's also just crazy enough to work...</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well... yeah. </p><p>That's the point. We don't know. </p><p>Strange's comment before dying about "entering the end game" is clearly a hint that he knows what's coming and surrendering the stone was part of the plan. Keeping Iron Man alive was essential to their one chance at victory. But if he outright tells us the plan, there's zero tension. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Would you <em>really </em>expect them to stay dead otherwise? </p><p></p><p></p><p>I suppose they could have done "snap" closer to the start of the film. That really is how the <em>Infinity Gauntlet</em> comic begins. </p><p>They could have started with him having the Power and Reality gems. We'd seen them before and a couple lines of dialogue can tweak how he gets them. And it could start with him acquiring the Soul stones. Then they could have had the next 10-15 minutes having Thanos getting the Space, Time, and Mind Stones. </p><p></p><p>But I think having half the universe dead has a little more impact when those characters are gone for a longer period. Plus, then you're speeding through the defeat of Doctor Strange and the Vision. I imagine <em>Avengers 4</em> will be packed enough as it is without having to add in the extra 20 minutes of set-up. </p><p></p><p>The neat part is it allows the next film to be smaller. This one was big and massive with all hands on deck (except Hawkeye and Antman). Avengers 4 can really focus on Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, and Banner/ Hulk. (Possibly with Captain Marvel and Hawkeye.) Those heroes will be "retiring" after that movie because the actor's contracts are up. This allows it to be their swan song before the rest of the characters can potentially take over. And with a full movie, they have more time to show the losses being felt by the characters. Tony mourning Pepper and having to visit Aunt May. Cap feeling the loss of Bucky again, and remembering how he lost his nation to save him. Banner dealing with the Hulk's refusal to emerge.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jester David, post: 7407276, member: 37579"] As I said in another thread, I was saddened we don't get to see Starlord reach Earth. Or get a moment where Tony and Steve have to interact and deal with what went down in [I]Civil War[/I]. Having read the comic I saw the ending coming. But still surprised they had the balls to go that route, even if the deaths will be undone. After all, we [I]know [/I]Spider-Man, Black Panther, and Doctor Strange are going to get sequels. There's little tension there. He's smart, but he's not a genius. He's not the Lex Luthor smart villain. But a big, strong villain that isn't stupid and is surprisingly cunning. Devious enough to set a trap for the Guardians. His motivation rather works. The purges in the population following the Black Death in the 14th Century reshaped Europe and ended serfdom. And the reduction of the workforce following WWII was also instrumental in advancing women's rights and civil rights. Massive cuts to population can have a positive effect on societies, especially when the infrastructure remains. Think about what happens if, overnight, 150 million Americans just turn to dust. Suddenly, there's job openings across the board. With fewer people for every occupation, everyone has their pick of employment and has an instant choice. They can ask for a higher salary and get it, because the demand is there. Meanwhile, because there's a desperate need for workers, there's increased incentive to release non-violent offenders and offer treatment to the mentally and physically ill to get them back in the job market. Discriminatory job practices drop because it's deeply unprofitable and you can't afford to be that picky in hiring. Meanwhile, there's a massive turn around in politics. The bureaucracy is upended and there's not enough time to bother with the rules and regulations of a proper election. Anyone can get elected. This shakes the two party system. And that's just one country. Half the world's dictators are gone. Half the people in charge of oppressing nations. Half the warlords. Half the drug barons. His plan is insane. He is the Mad Titan. But it's also just crazy enough to work... Well... yeah. That's the point. We don't know. Strange's comment before dying about "entering the end game" is clearly a hint that he knows what's coming and surrendering the stone was part of the plan. Keeping Iron Man alive was essential to their one chance at victory. But if he outright tells us the plan, there's zero tension. Would you [I]really [/I]expect them to stay dead otherwise? I suppose they could have done "snap" closer to the start of the film. That really is how the [I]Infinity Gauntlet[/I] comic begins. They could have started with him having the Power and Reality gems. We'd seen them before and a couple lines of dialogue can tweak how he gets them. And it could start with him acquiring the Soul stones. Then they could have had the next 10-15 minutes having Thanos getting the Space, Time, and Mind Stones. But I think having half the universe dead has a little more impact when those characters are gone for a longer period. Plus, then you're speeding through the defeat of Doctor Strange and the Vision. I imagine [I]Avengers 4[/I] will be packed enough as it is without having to add in the extra 20 minutes of set-up. The neat part is it allows the next film to be smaller. This one was big and massive with all hands on deck (except Hawkeye and Antman). Avengers 4 can really focus on Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, and Banner/ Hulk. (Possibly with Captain Marvel and Hawkeye.) Those heroes will be "retiring" after that movie because the actor's contracts are up. This allows it to be their swan song before the rest of the characters can potentially take over. And with a full movie, they have more time to show the losses being felt by the characters. Tony mourning Pepper and having to visit Aunt May. Cap feeling the loss of Bucky again, and remembering how he lost his nation to save him. Banner dealing with the Hulk's refusal to emerge. [/QUOTE]
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