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<blockquote data-quote="JLXC" data-source="post: 200786" data-attributes="member: 2663">If you can't hit your PC's AC here are some suggestions:Use thrown touch attacks such as Alchemist Fire/Tanglefoot Bag.Use Aid another, especially useful for Grappling.&nbsp; If PC's get swarmed by weak enemies, but each is surrounded by 8 of them, and they all but 1 aid one, that one gets +14 to hit or to grapple.&nbsp; Come on.&nbsp; Some smaller monsters can attack even MORE than 8 per PC, imagine if 16 gibberlings or more swarm your tough PC.&nbsp; That could be +28 to hit or grapple.&nbsp; There IS A reason why a mob of anything can bring down nearly anyone.&nbsp; Strength in numbers.Monsters who cannot hit a PC can try to Trip them.&nbsp; An Ogre using Trip has a base +Str and +4 for size Trip while a medium sized PC will only have +Str Mod. or Dex Mod.&nbsp;&nbsp; This works too well actually so be careful.&nbsp; A BIG and Strong monster, even a CR 1 or 2 one, may be able to consistantly knock down a PC.Grapple.&nbsp; Obvious and Powerful in numbers.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JLXC, post: 200786, member: 2663"] If you can't hit your PC's AC here are some suggestions: Use thrown touch attacks such as Alchemist Fire/Tanglefoot Bag. Use Aid another, especially useful for Grappling. If PC's get swarmed by weak enemies, but each is surrounded by 8 of them, and they all but 1 aid one, that one gets +14 to hit or to grapple. Come on. Some smaller monsters can attack even MORE than 8 per PC, imagine if 16 gibberlings or more swarm your tough PC. That could be +28 to hit or grapple. There IS A reason why a mob of anything can bring down nearly anyone. Strength in numbers. Monsters who cannot hit a PC can try to Trip them. An Ogre using Trip has a base +Str and +4 for size Trip while a medium sized PC will only have +Str Mod. or Dex Mod. This works too well actually so be careful. A BIG and Strong monster, even a CR 1 or 2 one, may be able to consistantly knock down a PC. Grapple. Obvious and Powerful in numbers. [/QUOTE]

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