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<blockquote data-quote="Sakzilla" data-source="post: 831426" data-attributes="member: 6105"><p>Sorry to post and run this morning, but the job took the GM away from the messageboards. I most certainly would not act out frustration or otherwise slam a vendor if I did not have both a just case and the email/reciepts to back up my position.</p><p></p><p>The history thus far:</p><p></p><p>Feb 5, 2003 - I order a copy of Masterscreen from the Citizen games website, paying with paypal. The link that I ordered from is still active, and I do have my paypal reciept. NO PRODUCT ARRIVED.</p><p></p><p>Feb 17, 2003 - I sent a polite, professional inquiry to Rob Stone(stoney@citizengames.com) looking for my order - I forwarded a copy of my reciept at that time.</p><p></p><p>Feb 19, 2003 - I received a very polite, professional response from Mr. Stone that said:</p><p></p><p>I'll check on this first thing in the morning and verift that it has shipped</p><p>and/or ship it if it hasn't.</p><p></p><p>Regards,</p><p></p><p>Rob Stone</p><p>President/Creative Director</p><p>Citizen Games LLC</p><p>(209)463-0852</p><p></p><p></p><p>My thought at this point is there was a snafu in the process, and this guy would get things squared away. NO PRODUCT ARRIVED.</p><p></p><p>Mar 23, 2003 - after a month of silence and no product, I again emailed Mr. Stone, looking for my product. No reply.</p><p></p><p>Mar 24, 2003 - In case Mr. Stone was out of pocket, I sent the same message to a different address (faq@citizengames.com) entitled "complaint"</p><p></p><p>I suppose the "contact us" portion of their website does not really mean "contact us" - it more likely means, from their track record, "don't contact us. since we won't reply." The phone number listed in Mr. Stone's signature takes you to a fax machine-type screeching sound, but one that apparently does not recieve faxes (tried on Mar 24, 2003).</p><p></p><p>Apr 10, 2003 - I sent an email to the address listed on the paypal account (wiseguys@mobstershop.com) that the citizen games site links to, and got no reply. NO PRODUCT ARRIVED.</p><p></p><p>Where does this leave me?</p><p></p><p>No product</p><p>No $25</p><p>No faith in the internet business called Citizen Games</p><p></p><p>Their website has been recently updated (Apr 10, 2003) and they continue to offer merchandise - this is not a defunct operation where I got caught as the lights are going out. This is a company that has chosen to take money from me on an inter-state banking transaction and not deliver what was promised.</p><p></p><p>I just hope too many other gamers do not get caught in this scheme that they have going. I would certainly appreciate any sort of contact from anyone at that company - I can't believe the gaming business will tolerate fraud like this.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sakzilla, post: 831426, member: 6105"] Sorry to post and run this morning, but the job took the GM away from the messageboards. I most certainly would not act out frustration or otherwise slam a vendor if I did not have both a just case and the email/reciepts to back up my position. The history thus far: Feb 5, 2003 - I order a copy of Masterscreen from the Citizen games website, paying with paypal. The link that I ordered from is still active, and I do have my paypal reciept. NO PRODUCT ARRIVED. Feb 17, 2003 - I sent a polite, professional inquiry to Rob Stone(stoney@citizengames.com) looking for my order - I forwarded a copy of my reciept at that time. Feb 19, 2003 - I received a very polite, professional response from Mr. Stone that said: I'll check on this first thing in the morning and verift that it has shipped and/or ship it if it hasn't. Regards, Rob Stone President/Creative Director Citizen Games LLC (209)463-0852 My thought at this point is there was a snafu in the process, and this guy would get things squared away. NO PRODUCT ARRIVED. Mar 23, 2003 - after a month of silence and no product, I again emailed Mr. Stone, looking for my product. No reply. Mar 24, 2003 - In case Mr. Stone was out of pocket, I sent the same message to a different address (faq@citizengames.com) entitled "complaint" I suppose the "contact us" portion of their website does not really mean "contact us" - it more likely means, from their track record, "don't contact us. since we won't reply." The phone number listed in Mr. Stone's signature takes you to a fax machine-type screeching sound, but one that apparently does not recieve faxes (tried on Mar 24, 2003). Apr 10, 2003 - I sent an email to the address listed on the paypal account (wiseguys@mobstershop.com) that the citizen games site links to, and got no reply. NO PRODUCT ARRIVED. Where does this leave me? No product No $25 No faith in the internet business called Citizen Games Their website has been recently updated (Apr 10, 2003) and they continue to offer merchandise - this is not a defunct operation where I got caught as the lights are going out. This is a company that has chosen to take money from me on an inter-state banking transaction and not deliver what was promised. I just hope too many other gamers do not get caught in this scheme that they have going. I would certainly appreciate any sort of contact from anyone at that company - I can't believe the gaming business will tolerate fraud like this. [/QUOTE]
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