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<blockquote data-quote="Chain Lightning" data-source="post: 1706224" data-attributes="member: 6791"><p>I just came back from seeing a midnight showing of <strong>AVP</strong> and I must say I was a bit disappointed.</p><p></p><p>According to credits at the end, I believe Anderson wrote this one himself. Oh man does it show. The entire script is very amateurish. It has the ear marks of someone who learned writing not through writing classes, seminars, writing groups, apprenticeships, etc....but rather learned by just watching other movies. Canned cookie cutter dialogue we've heard uttered a zillion times as well as exposition dialogue (which every sci-fi/fantasy movie can't avoid - but good writers work in well) that had no effort at all in disguising itself.</p><p></p><p>I'm usually pretty easy going on plot holes. Unless they're HUGE, I'm kinda forgiving. But "AVP" has a quite a few. As a die-hard fanboy, you may perhaps be able to overlook them, but their presence did hurt the film in my opinion.</p><p></p><p>[SPOILER]Here's an example of bad writing to me . . . the previous films in the franchise already set the standard as to how the Aliens work. To not keep continuity with that is bad. In "AVP", it seems that the face huggers only need like maybe 15-30 minutes to impregnate you (even though it was on Cane for like a day), at least about a day to grow to full size (they do so in "AVP" in what seems like no longer than 30 minutes). There's a lot more example but I don't think there's a need to go through each one.[/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p>I think "AVP" is quite possibly Anderson's worst film. In which I thought "Soldier" was original, but I've changed my mind. At least "Soldier" had a sense of solid grounding that his newest film lacked. </p><p></p><p>possible spoiler as I talk about fight scenes: [SPOILER]A few industry insider friends of mine had clued me on some rumors escaping from the set. Most of them had to do with things like: The suits were made wrong and the actors' movements are very contrained. Thus, they can't move/fight as graceful as the predators in the first two movies. Knowing that, it totally shows. A lot of the filming of the fight scenes was done in such a way that you don't get a wide shot of the predator fighting so you won't be able to criticize how clunky it moves in its suit. The shots are done close , quick, and shakey so to give a sense of speed and stuff. But we all know that trick and it just comes off as confusing cuts that don't give us a sense of what's going on in the fight.[/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p></p><p>About the setting (little spoiler):[SPOILER]Here's another thing that bugs me: It seems that they might've decided to not make the setting a futuristic colony somewhere on the fringes of human space settlements because it could maybe cost too much to make a big full size colony for the actors to move around on. Okay, I accept budget constraints I suppose. It was probably easier to do wide shots of the temple in miniature. But the thing is this: because the concept of this taking place in modern day needs a ton of shoe horning and explanation . . . the movie practically spends its entire first act doing just that. Trying to convince you why the premise works. Its because the ancient relationships of this, and because it used to be this, and this room is for this, and this is this, and that was because this....blah, blah. To me, it would've been much easier to just put it in a setting that we all 'buy' and thus it will take less set-up and we can move faster into the meat of what we wanna see. Which is Predators and Aliens fighting. Which there isn't enough of.[/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p>Okay, there were some cool moments I admit. Very brief moments of "okay...that's pretty cool looking". But they are not enough to make this a better movie. The movie is a 'versus' movie, so one would think that schlock aside, story smory whatever, what needs to be cool is the fights right? Well, they're not all that cool. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /></p><p></p><p>"AVP": not as bad as D&D movie, slightly better than Alien 4, but not as good as Alien 3. Not as entertaining as "Freddie vs. Jason" (even those are two different styles of properties . . . I thought that as bad as "AVP" might end up, I felt deep down that it would be at least funner to watch than "Freddie vs. Jason". To me, it wasn't really. And I love anything Predator. Even Predator 2.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chain Lightning, post: 1706224, member: 6791"] I just came back from seeing a midnight showing of [B]AVP[/B] and I must say I was a bit disappointed. According to credits at the end, I believe Anderson wrote this one himself. Oh man does it show. The entire script is very amateurish. It has the ear marks of someone who learned writing not through writing classes, seminars, writing groups, apprenticeships, etc....but rather learned by just watching other movies. Canned cookie cutter dialogue we've heard uttered a zillion times as well as exposition dialogue (which every sci-fi/fantasy movie can't avoid - but good writers work in well) that had no effort at all in disguising itself. I'm usually pretty easy going on plot holes. Unless they're HUGE, I'm kinda forgiving. But "AVP" has a quite a few. As a die-hard fanboy, you may perhaps be able to overlook them, but their presence did hurt the film in my opinion. [SPOILER]Here's an example of bad writing to me . . . the previous films in the franchise already set the standard as to how the Aliens work. To not keep continuity with that is bad. In "AVP", it seems that the face huggers only need like maybe 15-30 minutes to impregnate you (even though it was on Cane for like a day), at least about a day to grow to full size (they do so in "AVP" in what seems like no longer than 30 minutes). There's a lot more example but I don't think there's a need to go through each one.[/SPOILER] I think "AVP" is quite possibly Anderson's worst film. In which I thought "Soldier" was original, but I've changed my mind. At least "Soldier" had a sense of solid grounding that his newest film lacked. possible spoiler as I talk about fight scenes: [SPOILER]A few industry insider friends of mine had clued me on some rumors escaping from the set. Most of them had to do with things like: The suits were made wrong and the actors' movements are very contrained. Thus, they can't move/fight as graceful as the predators in the first two movies. Knowing that, it totally shows. A lot of the filming of the fight scenes was done in such a way that you don't get a wide shot of the predator fighting so you won't be able to criticize how clunky it moves in its suit. The shots are done close , quick, and shakey so to give a sense of speed and stuff. But we all know that trick and it just comes off as confusing cuts that don't give us a sense of what's going on in the fight.[/SPOILER] About the setting (little spoiler):[SPOILER]Here's another thing that bugs me: It seems that they might've decided to not make the setting a futuristic colony somewhere on the fringes of human space settlements because it could maybe cost too much to make a big full size colony for the actors to move around on. Okay, I accept budget constraints I suppose. It was probably easier to do wide shots of the temple in miniature. But the thing is this: because the concept of this taking place in modern day needs a ton of shoe horning and explanation . . . the movie practically spends its entire first act doing just that. Trying to convince you why the premise works. Its because the ancient relationships of this, and because it used to be this, and this room is for this, and this is this, and that was because this....blah, blah. To me, it would've been much easier to just put it in a setting that we all 'buy' and thus it will take less set-up and we can move faster into the meat of what we wanna see. Which is Predators and Aliens fighting. Which there isn't enough of.[/SPOILER] Okay, there were some cool moments I admit. Very brief moments of "okay...that's pretty cool looking". But they are not enough to make this a better movie. The movie is a 'versus' movie, so one would think that schlock aside, story smory whatever, what needs to be cool is the fights right? Well, they're not all that cool. :( "AVP": not as bad as D&D movie, slightly better than Alien 4, but not as good as Alien 3. Not as entertaining as "Freddie vs. Jason" (even those are two different styles of properties . . . I thought that as bad as "AVP" might end up, I felt deep down that it would be at least funner to watch than "Freddie vs. Jason". To me, it wasn't really. And I love anything Predator. Even Predator 2. [/QUOTE]
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