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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Quickleaf" data-source="post: 2410007" data-attributes="member: 20323">Well, it definitely worked better designing it as an item. However, I need to translate a gold piece value into spell terms now. The idea of something intangible like a fire being a magic item is kinda weird.I don't want to require a new craft skill. Craft Wondrous Item might work. I'd much prefer if I can somehow work it so casting a spell causes a change to occur (perhaps Transmutation) in a fire, making it rather magic object-like. However, it isn't a magic object. It can't be affected by dispel magic, it can't be stolen in the conventional sense, heck it can't be wielded in the traditional sense as it is bound to the place it was created.Vrahran Fire: As an Intelligent Magic ObjectBase price = 15,000 gpAs if I rolled a 99 on the magic item table. It has 120' darkvision, blind sense, and hearing. It has 18 Wis and Cha, and a 10 Int. However, it can't speak or use telepathy. Instead, it communicates through visions as per the Fiery Visions power. I decided this substition wasn't quite even, so I added an extra 3,000 gold onto the base price of 12,000.Oathbinding = 6,500 gpI equated this with the ability to use a 3rd level spell like zone of truth 3/day. I assumed that at most 4 people would swear an oath before the flame each month. While this is an extremely high estimate, I just went with it.Deev-Bane = 16,000 gpI decided this power was equal to using a 3rd level spell like daylight 3/day. While it is rarely used in day to day affairs, during a crisis an entire militia could get armed with flaming arrows, catapults, etc.Confession Before the Flame = 66,000 gpI estimated this power to be worth 50% more than detect thoughts at will (44,000). Again, not used very often, but it's a flawless lie detector, provided you can get a criminal before it, restrain them from knocking the fire over, and can make them speak. 20 ranks Knowlege (Religion) = 0 gp I decided the Vrahran Fire is a beacon of religious knowledge. Usually this would be worth +10,000gp. However, since it can't talk, only someone casting a speak with fire spell can communicate with it (or someone with the Flame-bonded template); I valued this penalty at -10,000. So it worked out to 0.So far the total is... 103,500 gp (without weaknesses worked in)As an aside, this is about equal to a brazier of commanding fire elementals.CL 13th; Craft Wondrous Item; summon monster VI, summon monster VII; 100,000gp.</blockquote>

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