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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aaron L" data-source="post: 5979108" data-attributes="member: 926">If your player's characters are standing around with their weapons drawn and suddenly, randomly decide to attack the person they were just talking to it is NOT surprise.  It IS Chaotic Evil behavior, but not a surprise situation.  It would only be surprise if they jumped out of the shadows and attacked or something like that.  But if they were talking to some dude and decided to just suddenly mug him?  No, that's not surprise; not only did the guy KNOW they were there, he was looking right at them, and he saw they had their weapons in their hands.  Hell, he really should have been EXPECTING them to attack, because there is really no reason to be holding weapons except to use them.  This situation is just time to roll initiative to see who gets to go first; there is no surprise.  Surprise is only when one party does not know the other party is there.If your players do this a lot, randomly attacking people they were having conversations with without provocation and hoping to "surprise" them, then A: they sound very immature, and B: I really really hope they don't think that they're playing Good characters.  Randomly attacking people without cause just for the fun of it is about as Chaotic Evil as it gets.  And if their characters weren't already Evil, then you, as the DM, should tell them that their characters are now Evil.  Because if they're going around randomly attacking and killing people then they really aren't adventurers anymore, and certainly not heroes; they're nothing but serial killers.</blockquote>

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