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Message: <blockquote data-quote="heliopolix" data-source="post: 1393653" data-attributes="member: 15956">Whilst on a looong bus ride a week ago, I set to doing those age-old tricks of the bored DnD player. From the powergamey camp came the desire to find new evil ways to do insane damage on a maxcrit. From the roleplayey(sp?) camp came the urge to design new and interesting characters. The forethcoming result has lineage from both sides. He's an ex-knight, with a duke for a father and an tavern wench for a mother, who was banished from his lands for his tendancy to be unpredictable ( a trait his king disliked). He now wanders as a champion for the free-spirited, and retains several of his loyal companions from his byegone days, although lately the bloodlust that nearly got him expelled from the court in his younger days seems to have surfaced again.Powergamers can look at the char, Ruleslawyers, plz look at my Question down near the end of the post, Ppl who will be offended by the cheese: apologies in advance.Hrankore the Unstable, built from 3.5 PHB, DMG, CWBarb1/Ftr6/Cavalier10/Ronin2/Frenzied Berzerker1He advanced as such:Lvl..........FeatsFtr1........Power Attack,WpnFoc(Lance), Mounted CombatFtr2........Ride-By AttackFtr3........CleaveFtr4........Spirited ChargeFtr5Barb1......Intimidateing RageFtr6........Destructive RageFrzBzk1 Cavalier1.LeadershipCavalier2Cavalier3Cavalier4.WpnFoc(Scythe)Cavalier5Cavalier6Cavalier7.WpnSpec(Scythe)Cavalier8Cavalier9Cavalier10.ExoticWpnProf(Bast.Sword)Ronin1Ronin2Str 18 @ 1st, +5 for lvls, +4 rage, +6 frenzy = 33 (+11)Here's his followers (aint nuthing wrong with followers having the Leadership feat as well.. think chain-of-command)Directly under HrankoreGarben the Garrulous : Ftr10/ Kensai8.Under Garben <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt="(:" title="Smile    (:"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname="(:" />P):Kirrowist the Fair-tongued : Bard1/Ftr7/Kensai8. Kirrowist's Journeyman:Ballrik Findworth : Bard1/Ftr5/Kensai8. I could go the LD tree down the line to get a few more followers, like some buff wizzies and clerics, etc. but i decided not to (read: got bored).Hrankore's trick: He uses the lvl 10 Cavalier ability, Unstoppable charge to get a x7 crit with his scythe (x4 scythe + x4 melee damage = x7 by DnD math). Into this, he sinks his entire BAB via PA, plus the Banzai charge from the ronin (which is like PA, but its -AC/+dam, 1:1, min -2, max BAB).The math for the Full PA Two Handed Raging Frenzied Unstoppable Banzai Scythe Charge Max Critical of Doom: Scythe..8W.S......+2Str.......+112H........+52HPA....+40Banzai..+20--------------Pre-crit..86............x7--------------Crit.......602As nasty as that is, His followers make it far worse...The Kensai LVL 8 ability, Instill, allows you to bestow skills, saves, BAB, up to 1 point/ Kensai lvl. This means that Hrankore gets fed 34 points of BAB (+10,+8,+8,+8).Lets look at that chart again, only with a 54 BAB instead of a 20 BAB.The math for the Kensai Augmented Full PA Two Handed Raging Frenzied Unstoppable Banzai Scythe Charge Max Critical of DOOM!: Scythe..8W.S......+2Str.......+112H........+52HPA....+108Banzai..+54--------------Pre-crit..188............x7--------------Crit.......1316. And this is w/ no magic equpment. With buffs, etc it gets even worse b/c every +1 to the base damage = +7 on the crit. QUESTION HERE:Just wanted to see what anyone thinks of it, and also want to bring up the rules question about stacking the BAB from the different Kensai's. Or, even just one 10th lvl Kensai giving a Ftr20 (actually anyone w/ 20 BAB will do) plus 10 BAB. Since its BAB (and not epic-BAB) it can be used for PA, etc, right. Also does it give iterative attacks? in the above case, BAB 54 would presumably give 11 attacks . (Again, since its BAB, not epic-BAB, and BAB gives iterative attacks, and epic-BAB doesnt).For our cheese-allergic readers: this post is mostly in jest, im just looking at a possible exploit that exists, and looking for what I can expect thowing this beast at my players, should i ever run an epic campaign. He's only CR 20... hehehe.EDIT .. Forgot to put in WpnSpec to damage chart, fixed now.</blockquote>

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