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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1187774" data-attributes="member: 2011">Actually, some of the numbers do not work that great.For example, BAB.If there were no feats /ability score modifiers in the game, then BAB as an equation would not be that bad (although still not that great) since 20th level Fighters would hit a given opponent 75% of the time when 20th level Wizards hit him 25% of the time. Instead, it becomes 95% and 5% after all of the various boosts.BAB for a high level arcane spell caster is so much of a joke (for the type of opponents that he encounters) that you will rarely if ever see him use a weapon.A 20th level Wizard is about as effective with his weapons as maybe an 8th level Fighter. But, he has not run into the kinds of opposition where his current weapon skill would really matter for the last 8 or 10 levels (except maybe the occasional orc horde).Hence, the fact that he has BAB at all is basically irrelevant. If BAB was a skill to be purchased as opposed to an innately acquired ability, an arcane spell caster would probably not purchase it much past 5th level and would often purchase other skills instead. BAB for high level arcane spell casters is basically a waste of an ability.Another area is skills themselves. Sure, a sorcerer could buy the Spot and Listen and Sense Motive skills, but typically he does not have enough skill points to do both that and increase Concentration and Spell Craft and a few other skills he might want.But, just like the game designers assumed that arcane spell casters would acquire a certain amount of weapon skill by osmosis (a wizard can walk around carrying no weapon at all and still get better with his overall BAB as he goes up levels), all characters should acquire standard perception type abilities (like spot, listen, and sense motive), just by being in so many unusual situations.After getting hit by Piercers in caverns 10 times, doesn't it make sense that most characters would be able to perceive that threat just a little bit better by 20th level automatically? Just because they are experienced (not because they purchased a skill)? I find it kind of ludicrous that the game system is designed such that the 20th level Cleric who has seen it all walks into a cavern, states that he is looking up at the ceiling for Piercers, the DM rolls the dice and the Cleric only has a 20% chance of success because he didn't have enough skill points to get some perception skills in addition to those he wanted for his class, but the 5th level Rogue who has never seen a Piercer has a 50% chance of success.Just like there is innate BAB, there should be some skills that are innate. And, I think that BAB itself shouldn't be innate, but purchased instead.</blockquote>

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