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Message: <blockquote data-quote="palleomortis" data-source="post: 3909983" data-attributes="member: 30755"><p>So, recently I let all 2 of my players go wild, and make whatever they could think of as PCs. mind you, we have a weird group, so we did come up with some weird things, despite the seemingly non-existant restrictions I applied. We have a half-dragon-gnoll, and a ... big barbarian...thing. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /> However, as fun as it is, I find that the adventures are almost TOO easy, and that the PCs don't actually take advantage of their benifits. I put a simply base Elf/Ranger (I think, might have been sorc.) in the game and found out that their ECL was way above what they play. The Elf guy I put in could basically wipe them out, and was a good several levels BELOW their ECL. How can I put it to them to try some base classes in a way that will sound as fun as I expect it to be? (As they would most likely find themselves a LOT more powerful if they stuck to base classes/races rather than wreacking havick on they're character level simply to aquire perks they don't use.)</p></blockquote><p></p>