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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JiffyPopTart" data-source="post: 8491118" data-attributes="member: 4881">I agree with OSR systems being a great idea if you want the simplicity in content of BECMI but the modern rules advancements of the 2020s.I will use grapple as an example of why I feel 5e is less complex ruleswise than Basic.This is the first THIRD (it's missing a table) of the grappling rules in Basic....Wrestling (Optional)When an unarmed character grabs a victimand tries to hold him, pin him, or bear him tothe ground, this is called "wrestling." Humans,demihumans, humanoid monsters, and human-shaped undead monsters can all wrestle.RestrictionsWho May Wrestle: Any character of any classor level, most humanoid monsters, and undeadmonsters that were originally human, demi-human or humanoid may use wrestling.Initiative, Armed vs. Unarmed: When a char-acter attempts to wrestle an armed opponent,the armed opponent always wins initiative auto-matically.Unintelligent Monsters: Unintelligent mon-sters will always choose to use their normal at-tacks instead of wrestling, unless controlled.Monster Immunities: Several types of crea-tures are immune to some or all of the effects ofwrestling: Noncorporeal undead (wraith, spec-tre, etc.), oozes, jellies, slimes, and similar crea-tures cannot be wrestled. Ethereal or elementalcreatures can be wrestled only by opponents inthe same form.Contact Abilities: Special "touch" abilities (en-ergy drain, turn to stone, etc.) function normallyduring wrestling if the monster wishes them to.For example, a character wrestling a cockatricemust make a saving throw vs. turn to stone every round while in contact with the monster.Preparing for WrestlingBefore the game or a crucial battle, the DMshould find each character's and monster's wres-tling rating (WR).Table that didn't cut and pasteCharacters and NPCs Example: A 9th leveldwarf has a Strength of 17 and a Dexterity of 8;he wears chain mail +3 and carries a shield. Wetake his experience level and divide by 2, round-ing up (5), his Strength bonus ( + 2), his Dexteri-ty penalty (-1), and his basic armor class, notcounting magic or Dexterity adjustments (AC 4,for +4); adding these together, we get his wres-tling rating (WR) of 10. If he'd drop his shield,his wrestling rating would go up to 11; if he'dtake off his armor first, it would go up to 15.Monster Example: A Snow Ape has 3 + 1 HDand wears no armor. We take its HD and multi-ply by 2, dropping pluses (6) and add 9 ( + 9); itsWR is 15.Worse armor classes (for instance, 9) result inbetter wrestling ratings than good armor classes(for instance, 2). This is correct. The more armora character is wearing, the harder it is for him towrestle effectively. Remember, magic bonusesand Dexterity adjustments do not count towardwrestling ratings.Unlike other sections of the rules, in whichHit Dice and levels are equated, this section usesHit Dice precisely, so a 25th level fighter still hasonly 9 Hit Dice.Wrestling ProcedureEach opponent involved in wrestling (whetherattacking or defending) makes a simple roll of1d20 each round. If the character is trying towrestle, he adds his WR to the roll. If he is tryingto do something else (such as strike, use a dag-ger, etc.), he does not add his WR that round.The highest roll wins the round. Ties dictate noresult in that round. In normal wrestling con-tests, characters move up and down the follow-ing table according to how well they are doing.FreeGrabTakedownPinBefore the wrestler wrestles his target, bothtargets are considered free. When one successfully attacks the other, he grabs his victim. If he wins the wrestling roll on the next round, he performs a takedown, bringing his opponent down to the ground and getting to a superior position over him. (If the victim is already down on the ground, the winner still gets into a superior position and sets himself up for the next round.) If he wins another wrestling roll on the next round, he has pinned his opponent.This, of course, assumes that the victim isn'tfighting back. The victim normally does fightback. So, each round the two parties are wres-tling, each makes his wrestling roll. Compare thetwo 1d20 rolls. The higher roll wins. A tie meansthat there is no change in the characters' relativesituations. Now, if one character wins oneround, he moves the other fellow down one level(from grab to takedown, for example). If theother character wins the next, he moves the combat back up one level.Example: Two characters are wrestling. Thefirst fighter has a WR of 15, and the second has a...This was a THIRD of the grapple rules......</blockquote>

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