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<blockquote data-quote="Jack Daniel" data-source="post: 4138001" data-attributes="member: 694"><p>Not to confirm anyone's supposition that I have my knickers in a twist over the issue or anything, but, yeah, I do find all of that pretty hilarious. After all, a lot of it is jut plain inaccuate.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The first prestige class was the bard, which appeared in the PHB for AD&D 1e (1978). The Companion Set didn't come out until 1983, making the D&D druid the second ever prestige class. (The third, of course, came in 1985 with Unearthed Arcana and the Thief-Acrobat, but that was another 1e AD&D book.) As for skills, this is a hoot, because we know for a fact that the 3e skill system was written from scratch for the d20 system. General Skills are nearly identical to Non-Weapon Proficiencies, and they owe their origins in the OD&D Gaz books to the AD&D 1e Survival Guides.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is a weird point to make, because it's pervasive to all editions of D&D. The monk first appeared in Supplement II to OD&D, so it dates back nearly to the beigging of the game; but when it was moved into AD&D 1e, it appeared in the PHB, again in 1978. The 3e monk is a direct descendant of the AD&D 1e monk, probably via the 2e version that appeared in The Scarlet Brotherhood (the 2e version made some changes to the 1e version that made their way into 3e, like unarmed strikes only ever dealing 1 die of damage). The RC mystic (which actually comes from the 1984 D&D Masters Set) seems to have been taken straight from either OD&D or AD&D 1e, but it doesn't seem to be anything that had an impact on the 3e monk in any way. (And they all got multiple attacks!) </p><p></p><p>The same could be said for dragons and combat on grids/squares: superficial similarities, but nothing that suggests linear descent. But I know this much: no version of basic D&D ever gave max HP at 1st level! (B/X might've suggested re-rolling 1s or 2s at level one only, but I don't remember for sure.)</p><p></p><p>On the other hand, the similarities between 2e and 3e are so rampant and glaringly obvious that it would take forever to list them all. So... there you go. Shock and awe, 3rd edition came from 2nd edition.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jack Daniel, post: 4138001, member: 694"] Not to confirm anyone's supposition that I have my knickers in a twist over the issue or anything, but, yeah, I do find all of that pretty hilarious. After all, a lot of it is jut plain inaccuate. The first prestige class was the bard, which appeared in the PHB for AD&D 1e (1978). The Companion Set didn't come out until 1983, making the D&D druid the second ever prestige class. (The third, of course, came in 1985 with Unearthed Arcana and the Thief-Acrobat, but that was another 1e AD&D book.) As for skills, this is a hoot, because we know for a fact that the 3e skill system was written from scratch for the d20 system. General Skills are nearly identical to Non-Weapon Proficiencies, and they owe their origins in the OD&D Gaz books to the AD&D 1e Survival Guides. This is a weird point to make, because it's pervasive to all editions of D&D. The monk first appeared in Supplement II to OD&D, so it dates back nearly to the beigging of the game; but when it was moved into AD&D 1e, it appeared in the PHB, again in 1978. The 3e monk is a direct descendant of the AD&D 1e monk, probably via the 2e version that appeared in The Scarlet Brotherhood (the 2e version made some changes to the 1e version that made their way into 3e, like unarmed strikes only ever dealing 1 die of damage). The RC mystic (which actually comes from the 1984 D&D Masters Set) seems to have been taken straight from either OD&D or AD&D 1e, but it doesn't seem to be anything that had an impact on the 3e monk in any way. (And they all got multiple attacks!) The same could be said for dragons and combat on grids/squares: superficial similarities, but nothing that suggests linear descent. But I know this much: no version of basic D&D ever gave max HP at 1st level! (B/X might've suggested re-rolling 1s or 2s at level one only, but I don't remember for sure.) On the other hand, the similarities between 2e and 3e are so rampant and glaringly obvious that it would take forever to list them all. So... there you go. Shock and awe, 3rd edition came from 2nd edition. [/QUOTE]
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