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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5100438" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>I'm not so sure. This background's benefits REALLY depend on how you analyze it. For certain characters it can be a huge bonus. Consider a dragonborn fighter. He could have an 18 STR and a 15 CON, OR he can have a 20 STR and an 8 CON and some other stat that is a 10 instead of an 8 if he takes Born Under a Bad Sign. DB fighter #2 has 3 more hit points than fighter #1, a +1 STR bonus (huge) and some other off stat which is 2 points higher. That is a heck of a lot better than any feat will give you. Fighter #1 has in his favor a +2 to some skill bonus and a lot better Endurance check, but considering fighter #2 has 2 points better on STR based checks and +1 better on some other sort of checks I'm thinking I'd much rather be fighter #2...</p><p></p><p>Throwing Toughness into this particular analysis is meaningless since either of the above characters could take that feat and would gain equally from it. Even giving fighter #1 Toughness for free doesn't really make him equal overall to #2 without a feat, so its kinda hard to say Toughness is better in any respect anyway.</p><p></p><p>Now, this is of course the very most optimum situation, but that's exactly when someone will take something for min/maxing purposes, so its a perfectly valid sort of analysis. I'd not go so far as to say that the background is 'broken' but it is certainly FAR superior mechanically for some characters than the standard baseline PHB2 backgrounds. For many other characters its at best marginal and maybe almost as good as a feat, which is not far off from other backgrounds and might well not be so appealing to them. I'm still a bit leery of this overall and would prefer not to be saddled with the OP's situation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5100438, member: 82106"] I'm not so sure. This background's benefits REALLY depend on how you analyze it. For certain characters it can be a huge bonus. Consider a dragonborn fighter. He could have an 18 STR and a 15 CON, OR he can have a 20 STR and an 8 CON and some other stat that is a 10 instead of an 8 if he takes Born Under a Bad Sign. DB fighter #2 has 3 more hit points than fighter #1, a +1 STR bonus (huge) and some other off stat which is 2 points higher. That is a heck of a lot better than any feat will give you. Fighter #1 has in his favor a +2 to some skill bonus and a lot better Endurance check, but considering fighter #2 has 2 points better on STR based checks and +1 better on some other sort of checks I'm thinking I'd much rather be fighter #2... Throwing Toughness into this particular analysis is meaningless since either of the above characters could take that feat and would gain equally from it. Even giving fighter #1 Toughness for free doesn't really make him equal overall to #2 without a feat, so its kinda hard to say Toughness is better in any respect anyway. Now, this is of course the very most optimum situation, but that's exactly when someone will take something for min/maxing purposes, so its a perfectly valid sort of analysis. I'd not go so far as to say that the background is 'broken' but it is certainly FAR superior mechanically for some characters than the standard baseline PHB2 backgrounds. For many other characters its at best marginal and maybe almost as good as a feat, which is not far off from other backgrounds and might well not be so appealing to them. I'm still a bit leery of this overall and would prefer not to be saddled with the OP's situation. [/QUOTE]
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